Health / Fitness and Nutrition Thread

[treebing]

instead of a scientific diet. I think that if God didnt want me to eat vegetables, they wouldnt have made them so spiritually fufilling and fun to grow and if they didnt want me to eat meat, they wouldnt have made hunting and fishing so damn fun.

 

[Dan Cobb]

instead of a scientific diet. I think that if God didnt want me to eat vegetables, they wouldnt have made them so spiritually fufilling and fun to grow and if they didnt want me to eat meat, they wouldnt have made hunting and fishing so damn fun.

Are you serious? If yes, I think you're looking at things from only a modern perspective. How fulfilling and fun do you think farming, hunting and fishing were 1000 years ago? Or 2000 years ago? Take away every modern convenience and try putting enough food on the table to survive.

And why do you invoke God and then use "they" instead of "He"?

 

[rico]

i dont think there is anyone really qualified to give out food advice for someone elses body. its really all opinion and anecdotal evidence. "studies show" lol. Dave is very fit and healthy so he is very qualified to share what works for him.

There are in fact people whom when armed with the right information can in give out dietary advice, but Dave certainly ain't one of them...If the carno diet works for Dave then great, but he is in no position to be suggesting that other individuals follow his extreme dietary path because it could be downright dangerous for certain people.

 

[treebing]

you shouldnt be coming to treebuzz if your actually looking for professional health advice.

it seems almost all expert advice these days seem to say eliminating processed foods, white flour, (and other simple carbs) excess sugar, man made trans fats, and excessive salt is key to any healthy diet. who here
has any argument with that? its pretty mainstream expert advice.


but those foods are also the basis of our food system and our economy. and since our health care system likes unhealthy people to maintain health, it rarely makes any dietary advice at all.

 

[climbingmonkey24]

This thread is getting derailed.

One of the reasons for starting this thread actually originated in the COVID thread and it was to discuss the studies / findings that argue our current dietary guidelines set forth by the “experts” that push carbs / sugar while labeling fat as bad could be wrong and contributing to health issues and overweight / obesity. Not to convince anyone that any specific viewpoint or special diet is the only right way. You have to decide for yourself what you think is right for you.

As it happens Dave and I both share some similar viewpoints regarding dietary guidelines. He was the one who gave me the idea to start this thread.

So yea, I’m not going to put my faith just in the experts or a dietician but choose to take responsibility for my own health and I’ve also been involved with fitness and nutrition for a good part of my life.

I don’t believe anyone here is actually looking for someone to give them a meal plan or diet to follow, just participating in a discussion / debate.

@DSMc I think that you have a tendency to insert yourself into every discussion, and you come in with the presumption that you know the truth, citing lots of YouTube videos, and you respond to other viewpoints with condescension. You take up all the oxygen in the room in every thread you get involved in. Your climbing expertise is appreciated but do the Buzz as a whole a favor and just let other people have a conversation without you in it once in a while, unless you're open to actual dialogue. I have a degree in anthropology along with a couple others, and everything Kevin just said is in line with my formal education on the subject. I put a lot more stock in information gleaned by experts over hundreds of years than in YouTube videos released within the last 5 years. Just listen for a while instead of trying to set us all straight with your truths. I doubt I'm the only one who feels this way.

This is how discussions work sometimes. Some people are passionate about the topic, and while it may come across that way it doesn’t necessarily mean they are trying to shove it down your throat.

I myself admit I have been guilty in the past of being a little aggressive in some conversations when my view points are challenged, but that’s part of a good debate especially among people who are all passionate about a topic.

Everyone here should feel welcome to participate in a conversation and I for one value hearing everyone’s different opinions.

 

[JD3000]

you shouldnt be coming to treebuzz if your actually looking for professional health advice.

it seems almost all expert advice these days seem to say eliminating processed foods, white flour, (and other simple carbs) excess sugar, man made trans fats, and excessive salt is key to any healthy diet. who here
has any argument with that? its pretty mainstream expert advice.


but those foods are also the basis of our food system and our economy. and since our health care system likes unhealthy people to maintain health, it rarely makes any dietary advice at all.

Except low carb/keto is diuretic and we have to have more electrolytes.

Whole foods all the way though, shop the outside of the market

 

[treebing]

plenty of carbs in whole grain foods. i think white flour and starch is basically the same as eating straight sugar.

 

[treebing]

This thread is getting derailed.

One of the reasons for starting this thread actually originated in the COVID thread and it was to discuss the studies / findings that argue our current dietary guidelines set forth by the “experts” that push carbs / sugar while labeling fat as bad could be wrong and contributing to health issues and overweight / obesity. Not to convince anyone that any specific viewpoint or special diet is the only right way. You have to decide for yourself what you think is right for you.

As it happens Dave and I both share some similar viewpoints regarding dietary guidelines. He was the one who gave me the idea to start this thread.

So yea, I’m not going to put my faith just in the experts or a dietician but choose to take responsibility for my own health and I’ve also been involved with fitness and nutrition for a good part of my life.

I don’t believe anyone here is actually looking for someone to give them a meal plan or diet to follow, just participating in a discussion / debate.




This is how discussions work sometimes. Some people are passionate about the topic, and while it may come across that way it doesn’t necessarily mean they are trying to shove it down your throat.

I myself admit I have been guilty in the past of being a little aggressive in some conversations when my view points are challenged, but that’s part of a good debate especially among people who are all passionate about a topic.

Everyone here should feel welcome to participate in a conversation.

i dont feel that there are any experts pushing sugar are there? the Standard American Diet, is so far from being what your middle of the road uncontroversial nutritionist prescribes that i dont think you could atribute their advice to the covid epidemic. 40oz. pops and hohos are not recommended by anyone anywhere. you probably would be better off only eating just meat if your diet was a pop french frie and hotdog diet

the type of meat that most americans eat also can barely qualify as meat. salt, nitrates, preservatives, filler products etc. Meat fed on corn and soy in a feedlot is also lot different than meat fed on pasture. is anyone out there recomending that we eat hotdogs and coldcuts for our health? I think if you follow the mainstream recomendations of a mainstream nutritionist you would be much better off than the vast majority of americans living on fast food and pop. you would almost surely survive covid. our industrialized food economy is what is killing us despite what pretty much all the experts say

 

[climbingmonkey24]

Mainstream nutrition has labeled fat as bad for years now, while also labeling whole eggs, red meat, etc. as bad while recommending a majority of calories comes from carbohydrates and grains. I mean heck I remember in grade school learning about the food pyramid which favors carbs over fat.

When some research suggests that these foods and fat (excluding trans fat of course) are actually beneficial to health, and can reverse common issues that have been linked to an uptick in carbohydrates.

I’m not saying for everyone a high carb intake is bad, but these dietary guidelines are for the average person likely living a sedentary American lifestyle.

Did you read the link I posted about how these dietary guidelines came into existence?

I’m not saying I’m right, just my opinion. Ultimately everyone’s diet needs are gonna vary depending upon a multitude of factors. Which is part of the pitfall of having generalized diet recommendations that set policy for what is considered “healthy eating” because healthy eating could mean different things to different individuals.

Regarding the meat, I totally agree with you. That is a big problem. A long time ago I decided to switch to all grass fed and organic meat, eggs, veggies and fruits, and I’m happy I have done so

Oh and the discussion in the Covid thread wasn’t necessarily about the relation of nutrition to Covid just something that came up a little off topic.


I can see how it could come across as though I’m advocating for a specific kind of diet or that I think nutritionists don’t know what they’re talking about but I don’t mean it that way.

 

[climbingmonkey24]

This book actually discussed different studies / research that has been done on the subject.

For some people if you mentioned red meat and whole milk as being a part of a healthy diet they’d look at you like your nuts.

Notice in the grocery store “light or low fat” as they’re labeled...

low fat dressings, low fat butter that is essentially not real butter, low fat snacks, low fat milk, low fat cheese, egg whites...all examples of a common theme we have as a society where fat is considered the enemy so we replace it with chemicals, sugar, etc.

I was fortunate enough to grow up around my grandparents, the older generation, and my grandfather used to tell me how they would cook with lard or butter, eat whole eggs, bacon, and they moved all day and worked hard even as young kids growing up. They were healthy. They eat real food. Not “low fat” substitutes. They also grew their own vegetables and fruit. Not overweight, not on medications, and then in the 1900s the “heart healthy diet” was introduced, and look at the introduction of that and then the rise in obesity and health ailments. Of course there are other lifestyle factors that play a role here. Lack of physical exercise, etc.

Even so, obviously individual diet needs / preferences can vary widely depending on a lot of factors.

 

[climbingmonkey24]

An interesting read about dietary guidelines that mentions the author of the above book...

Here’s What’s Wrong With the U.S. Dietary Guidelines

A new report finds fault with the proposed changes to the U.S. dietary guidelines, particularly around saturated fat

time.com

 

[treebing]

butter has to be good for you. nobody could convince me otherwise.

 

[SeanRuel]

I had good results eating Based off Tim Ferris's 4- hour body book. I Think he calls it SLOW-carb, keto with legumes basically. He also suggests a day off per week to eat whatever you want/ are craving. That is way more manageable and pleasant for me, I want baguettes and pizza in my life!

 

[Neill]

butter has to be good for you. nobody could convince me otherwise.

Agreed.
I have two sisters that have renounced butter and replaced it with that fake butter BS.( in limited amounts) I can’t understand why

 

[Boomslang]

I think anything can be enjoyed in moderation. There are no bad foods, only bad food habits. Obviously if you consume nothing but Pepsi and M&Ms you're going to have some issues, but the occasionally indulgence won't harm you.

You need to ask yourself your motives for your diet. If it's because it makes you feel better (mentally or physically), then keep it up! Try different things and stick to what's best for you. For some that may be carnivore, for others it may be vegan, for the vast majority it's probably somewhere in between

But if you're only eating a certain way because you think it will prolong your life, get you swole, or it's the current fad you should re-evaluate. Life is meant to be enjoyed and stressing about your diet is more harmful than a pound of sugar.

 

[Reach]

Agreed.
I have two sisters that have renounced butter and replaced it with that fake butter BS.( in limited amounts) I can’t understand why

I can’t understand why anyone would do that willingly! I largely use fake butter because I’m terribly lactose intolerant, but there are times I just have to use the real stuff and put up with the aftereffects. Real food of any sort is far superior to its fake counterpart.

 

[rico]

I can’t understand why anyone would do that willingly! I largely use fake butter because I’m terribly lactose intolerant, but there are times I just have to use the real stuff and put up with the aftereffects. Real food of any sort is far superior to its fake counterpart.

Ghee. Clarified butter with very low levels of lactose and casein.

 

[treebing]

beat me to it rico. Ghee is awsome, it also can take higher heat so it is good for frying. I bought a tub of Duck fat too which is really tasty and is a good butter alternative for toast or whatever. hydrogenated vegetable oils have been proven to be toxic. they are much cheaper than butter though which explains their use. butter is pricey

 

[Reach]

Ghee. Clarified butter with very low levels of lactose and casein.

Thank you, I have never heard of that one but I will take a look at it. Clarified butter makes sense as well, I was curious about it, but did not know for sure how different it really was.

 

[Reach]

beat me to it rico. Ghee is awsome, it also can take higher heat so it is good for frying. I bought a tub of Duck fat too which is really tasty and is a good butter alternative for toast or whatever. hydrogenated vegetable oils have been proven to be toxic. they are much cheaper than butter though which explains their use. butter is pricey

Thank you, I will look into that, and duck fat as well. I have never thought about that one. I use a bit of lard for cooking sometimes, but mostly cook with olive oil.