Health / Fitness and Nutrition Thread

sally fallon of nourishing traditions I would also recommend. It has some great thoughts and good recipes. I have her cookbook and its good stuff. lots of fermented foods.
 
+1 on Nourishing Traditions. The wife and I read the book 20 years ago and it was a big motivation for us moving towards a more "traditional diet". I would also recommend looking into the works of Weston Price. In the 1930's he realized the evils of the "modern" diet (processed sugar, flour, pasteurized dairy, highly processed vegetable fats, etc). He traveled the world studying traditional cultures and he became an advocate for a diet based on real meats, organ meats, raw dairy, cultured/fermented vegis and dairy, and sprouted grains.
 
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climbingmonkey24 said:
Humans back in the day ate red meat and fat!!!!

You don’t think it matters what humans ate hundreds of years ago!!!!!

Of Course it does!! It just shows how fucked up our diet recommendations are.


Fuck the school and college education. Can’t count on that to teach you anything worthwhile. A bunch of bullshit in my opinion

Dave has it right with the studies he has produced. At least someone has there head on straight in this thread!!!!!!!!
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Agriculture has been around a long time. Before agriculture, I imagine people ate any calories they could find, whether it was a radish or a rabbit. Some cultures were highly meat dependent (e.g. Inuit) while others were primarily plant dependent. I think sedentary lifestyles and plain old overconsumption are major factors in the sad overall physical condition of our population.

I learned a lot of things in 17 years of formal education, but the biggest benefit was becoming a better learner and thinker. That's been much more valuable to me in nearly 40 years since I graduated college than any particular thing I learned in school.
 
I think people have a tendency to discount information just because it doesn’t come from a formal education source, and even though there is a lot of nonsense out there I will agree, but it doesn’t mean all of it is nonsense.

Just as not all information coming from formal education sources and the science / medical community is necessarily accurate or right.
 
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Especially considering...for anyone who took the time to read the information I have linked on previous pages and watch the video I posted, that when creating the nutriton guidlines we have today certain studies on dietary fat as well as the effects of carbohydrates and sugar on health were left out or glossed over.

Large food corporations couldn't have sugar or carbs be labeled bad because that could cut into profit, so instead we just "decide" to label fat and red meat as harmful to health without considering all the data that was out there.
 
The dubious "science" that is funded by corporations and industry groups, where they essentially purchase the desired results/findings from scientists with credentials, but without ethics, definitely hurts bona fide peer-reviewed science. Publications with scientific sounding names that will print anything you pay to have printed don't help matters either. And most organizations have no reward for scientists to confirm other's experiments and studies, instead encouraging novel research. The current deviations from real scientific methods is reaching crisis proportions according to some.
 
climbingmonkey24 said:
Especially considering...for anyone who took the time to read the information I have linked on previous pages and watch the video I posted, that when creating the nutriton guidlines we have today certain studies on dietary fat as well as the effects of carbohydrates and sugar on health were left out or glossed over.

Large food corporations couldn't have sugar or carbs be labeled bad because that could cut into profit, so instead we just "decide" to label fat and red meat as harmful to health without considering all the data that was out there.
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I agree with most of this, The only problem I have with this theory is that the beef, dairy, pork, and chicken industries is every bit as powerful and monied as the carb industry. Fully capable of funding their own studies and marketing plans to convince people to eat nothing but their products. Who had the idea to proclaim Native Americans didnt eat vegetables and so neither should we I wonder? Corn farmers dont care if cows buy their corn or people buy their corn. Im pretty sure they sell more corn when the cows buy it than when people buy it, so why would they push people to not eat meat?
 
I encourage anyone to take the time and look at the links I posted, watch the video of the author of the book I mentioned (who happens to be well educated), and maybe consider reading the Big Fat Surprise book.

Also consider the many reports of people who have stopped following the typical dietary guidelines and gone on a keto style diet eating the exact foods doctors and scientists label as “bad” who have reversed health conditions, lost weight, and gotten off medications.

There is an obvious connection between the introduction of the “heart healthy” dietary guidelines that favor carbohydrates while recommending a limit on dietary fat and meat and a rise in many of the common health issues we see today as well as obesity.

However, that means being able to consider that maybe qualifications and education alone don’t always mean the right information is being promoted. That just because guidelines are being written by “experts” doesn’t mean those guidelines are the correct guidelines.
 
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climbingmonkey24 said:
I think people have a tendency to discount information just because it doesn’t come from a formal education source, and even though there is a lot of nonsense out there I will agree, but it doesn’t mean all of it is nonsense.

Just as not all information coming from formal education sources and the science / medical community is necessarily accurate or right.
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People need to follow the dollars, in some cases.




Dave isn't making off the discussion.

Lots of formal education and less/in-formal education sources are money-motivated.
 
I’m just going to say that this thread was going pretty well and was fairly active until it got derailed because of differences in opinion, personal attacks against other posters, etc.

It’s not right. This is a public forum. We are all here because we share common interests. NOBODY should feel like they aren’t welcome to post and share their opinions.

It’s in the nature of a debate / discussion that people may or may not agree with each other.

But if you have a problem with someone, maybe take it to private messaging or simply don’t respond to them.
 
Here's an interesting range of motion test for you to try: Touch your fingers together behind your back (as best you can) by putting one arm up and the other down. (One elbow by your head, the other by your waist.) Then try it again swapping which arm is up/down. Most people have a significant difference.
 
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Here's an interesting range of motion test for you to try: Touch your fingers together behind your back (as best you can) by putting one arm up and the other down. (One elbow by your head, the other by your waist.) Then try it again swapping which arm is up/down. Most people have a significant difference.
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Yeah, tore my rotator cuff and my range of motion in this regard is dogshit!

PT got the strength and agility back but my flexibility is not superb
 
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@DSMc I think that you have a tendency to insert yourself into every discussion, and you come in with the presumption that you know the truth, citing lots of YouTube videos, and you respond to other viewpoints with condescension. You take up all the oxygen in the room in every thread you get involved in. Your climbing expertise is appreciated but do the Buzz as a whole a favor and just let other people have a conversation without you in it once in a while, unless you're open to actual dialogue. I have a degree in anthropology along with a couple others, and everything Kevin just said is in line with my formal education on the subject. I put a lot more stock in information gleaned by experts over hundreds of years than in YouTube videos released within the last 5 years. Just listen for a while instead of trying to set us all straight with your truths. I doubt I'm the only one who feels this way.
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And what if the “experts” conveniently glossed over or ignored information that went against the information they’re pushing because money exchanged hands? Sugar lobbyists, etc. couldn’t have any info published that would link sugar and carbs to heart and other health problems.

So let’s ignore that evidence, and decide to label fat as the enemy and push that narrative for the next 50+ years, during which we have seen a steady rise in obesity and other health issues. Not just among adults, but children as well.

So when someone comes out with information that goes against what the “experts” say, it’s discounted because they themselves might not be a so called “expert” or it doesn’t come from official “expert” sources.

In regards to nutrition, how do you trust the education system and what is taught in school if the basis for what is taught could be wrong? Sure you may be able to come out of it with the qualification of being considered an “expert” but it doesn’t mean the information you learned is actually accurate.
 
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