Health / Fitness and Nutrition Thread

Njdelaney said:
@climbingmonkey24 you're going down a rabbit hole if you decide nobody is trustworthy as an expert. Would you rather have your neighbor operate on your heart/brain, or would you prefer someone who was educated and trained to do the job? I'm not interested in having a debate with you about nutrition. Just do what works for you.
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Well this is a nutrition thread...

I NEVER said nobody was trustworthy as an expert. Not at all. Are you kidding? But I also think it’s highly responsible to not just take something as fact without doing your own research.

Using the neighbor example for brain surgery is just not comparable at all. No comparison.

I’ve been to college and I’ve taken college nutrition classes. So I do know a little bit about what is taught in college regarding nutrition.

And let’s see, if what our future nutritionists and medical doctors are taught is the narrative that the basis for dietary recommendations for what is considered healthy for the average person is the same recommendations that have been linked to obesity and other health issues, don’t you think there is a problem? Isn’t it worth a conversation? Maybe even an in-depth evaluation of the current situation?

Mainstream medicine today with the exception of maybe a few select doctors doesn’t necessarily treat conditions, we mask it with drugs. But there have been countless cases of people following the exact opposite of the mainstream dietary recommendations, sometimes on their own or under the direction of a doctor, and not only reversing their conditions but also getting off their medicines.

Don’t you think there is a problem here???


This doesn’t correlate to me thinking no doctor or person with qualifications has any knowledge, it’s me being responsible questioning information and taking charge of my own health. What is wrong with that?

I just went to a doctor today for something, and I completely put my trust in them for what I was there for.

So please don’t say I’m suggesting all “experts” are fools.

There’s a big difference between total ignorance and simply taking an interest / responsibility for your health, wanting to do right by yourself, learn as much as you can, etc.

And I’m not trying to “convince” anyone. I’m not even saying I’m right or anyone else here is wrong. I’m simply questioning information, comparing information, and having an educated discussion.

Why does everyone have such a problem with that here?? Why does it always have to turn personal. I don’t get it.
 
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It’s meant to refer to what seems to be happening in the US but also in the UK.

A kind of cultural revolution whereby ignorance is celebrated as an asset, expertise in science and intellectuals are mistrusted and vilified.

As for the nutrition bit, it’s as clear as day what to do.
Anything in moderation, easy on the sugar and booze, get plenty of exercise. You know what’s good and what’s not, unless you have a medical condition eat what you like, just not too much.

Overthinking this stuff is pointless.
 
Mick Demosey said:
It’s meant to refer to what seems to be happening in the US but also in the UK.

A kind of cultural revolution whereby ignorance is celebrated as an asset, expertise in science and intellectuals are mistrusted and vilified.

As for the nutrition bit, it’s as clear as day what to do.
Anything in moderation, easy on the sugar and booze, get plenty of exercise. You know what’s good and what’s not, unless you have a medical condition eat what you like, just not too much.

Overthinking this stuff is pointless.
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As someone who has been more on the cautious side during the whole Covid pandemic, I understand what you’re saying. I’ve said it myself before.

Although I would question the current state of / handling of the pandemic right now.

In regards to nutrition, sure you can take that tactic and maybe be healthy. But I don’t think there’s anything wrong with people who are passionate about health and nutrition having a debate about different information and questioning stuff? That’s not ignorance, it’s discussion. No different then debating a tree climbing topic. There’s passion involved.
 
I love how when one person has a difference of opinion or simply questions something, it turns into “that person is a fucking ignorant idiot” by the masses.

Instead of having an educated discussion, it always has to turn personal.
 
Fair enough.
Theres a lot of fad diets that people make a lot of money selling to the gullible.
More of this, less of that, cavemen ate this and they were never fat (they died before 30 but never mind that)

I was born in 1963 and my school photos around the early 70s show almost my entire generation were skinny as rooks.

Fast forward 40 years and the same picture will show a large percentage are obese or near to it.

Food is cheaper, we eat more and exercise less, it’s that simple.
 
Mick Demosey said:
Fair enough.
Theres a lot of fad diets that people make a lot of money selling to the gullible.
More of this, less of that, cavemen ate this and they were never fat (they died before 30 but never mind that)

I was born in 1963 and my school photos around the early 70s show almost my entire generation were skinny as rooks.

Fast forward 40 years and the same picture will show a large percentage are obese or near to it.

Food is cheaper, we eat more and exercise less, it’s that simple.
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I have grandparents who were kids earlier than that, and their generation was lean too. But they also ate whole eggs, cooked with lard or real butter, drank real whole milk, ate bacon, only went to the doctor if they needed to. And they were healthy. They of course were active as well.

Yes exercise plays a role, yes the quality of food plays a role, but so does the food itself.

The dietary recommendations mentioned multiple times in this thread that favor carbs while suggesting to limit fat were introduced around that time in the 1900s, and studies have been done that have linked the rise in obesity and other health problems with the introduction of those recommendations.

Nowadays, people eat egg whites, egg substitutes, fake butter because it’s low fat, low fat milk, low fat this...all stuff that has been processed and altered and has less nutritional value then eating the actual REAL food because they have been led to believe that fat is bad.

I’m not saying this to try and push a certain way of thinking or narrative, it’s just food for thought.

Some people are interested in this stuff and some people may not be. Perfectly fine by me. Health / fitness happens to be my lifestyle and something I am very passionate about, so I go out of my way to read and research this stuff.
 
AND just because someone decides to take an interest in their health and nutrition and research different information doesn’t make them ignorant.

And questioning information that comes from scientific sources doesn’t mean you don’t trust all experts or that your ignorant.

It’s how we learn and grow. How we advance in science, healthcare, everything.

So if someone has a problem with me being passionate about health / fitness and nutrition, and wanting to learn as much as I can, please do fill me in on what exactly it is I’m doing or saying that is so wrong. Or how I might’ve offended anyone.
 
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I do not force my opinions or info at people and say I’m right and you’re wrong. I simply provide an opinion, a thought, and you do with it what you want.

No different then talking about tree climbing or some other topic.
 
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