Health / Fitness and Nutrition Thread

I’ve tried strict vegan for 15-18 months, I’ve done strict carnivore for 6-8 months, and I’ve done strict keto for 8-10 months. Each of those approaches had their own pluses and minuses…. for me what works best is eating clean, no sugar/sugar substitute, whole foods, lots of clean water, and not being so rigid by trying to fit into just one box. With the internet, and millions of opinions out there, one can easily find an argument that supports their wants/needs at that time.
 
Yes everyone’s diet may vary and yes you can probably find evidence to support your beliefs, but that doesn’t change the fact there are still basic nutritional principles that apply to human health.

Just because you find evidence that says eating fast food everyday is good for you doesn’t mean it is.

And the bigger picture here is how the diet recommendations set forth by health agencies / medical professionals and how those diet recommendations influence people’s health may be wrong.
 
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Current diet guidelines recommend a majority of calories come from carbohydrates which contain sugar and to limit intake of butter, red meat, and fat.

Couple that with a sedentary lifestyle and you have not just adults but many children who are overweight / obese and with health issues. Who are then prescribed a drug to help regulate the condition / mask the symptoms.

It absolutely isn’t a one size fits all. I enjoy a high fat diet but because of my fitness training / goals I also choose to eat moderate to high carb as well sometimes. But also not everyone is an athlete or get’s in a lot of physical activity each day.

So it’s the generalized diet recommendations for the average person to stay healthy that is an issue I think. Not everyone takes the time to get educated on nutrition and health and just follows the advice of the “experts.”

Ever see a cereal box that has a “heart healthy” stamp on it? What is a heart healthy diet? Exactly what the food pyramid outlines when in fact science and studies suggest these diet guidelines may actually be wrong and could be contributing to the obesity and health problems among the “average” person.
 
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Now I’m confused.

when I say high fat I don’t mean essentially what I’m doing is a mix of keto as well as moderate to high carb.

I just mean compared to the average person trying to stay away from fat what I do may not be considered low fat because I drink whole milk, eat whole eggs, eat red meat, etc. All things that have fat.

I would say on a high calorie diet for me depending what bodybuilding phase I’m in it’s usually higher to moderate carb, moderate to high protein, moderate fat. But I guess it depends what you classify as low, moderate, and high in terms of each macronutrient and that could vary depending on the amount of calories you’re eating right?

Are you looking at it in grams or as a percentage of total calories?

The reason I’ve never gone full fat and low carb is I like the way I look on higher carb. Maybe someday I’ll try full on keto we will see.

For a while my goal has been to gain weight and add size so I eat for that purpose.
 
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For a while my goal has been to gain weight and add size so I eat for that purpose.
I used to consider trying to gain weight and add size. Now my goal is to just stay the same size. If I do, I won't hardy have to buy any more new clothes in this lifetime.

The only dietary thing I avoid is sucralose. Other than that, all things in moderation. Except desserts. Desserts in excess.
 
I’ve just been doing everything I can to set myself further back the last couple years between Using and depression and I just want to recapture my old passion for bodybuilding and health.

I need to get off this roller coaster. And I appreciate your guys’s support.

Not trying to turn this into a “poor me”
feeling sorry for myself thread but just trying to be open and honest about some of these struggles. I’m trying to overcome them. I don’t want to give up.

I’d like to start actually living,

If you haven't tried a fully carnivore diet you might want to give it a try. It is simple and will not hamper your body building efforts too much if at all. There is so much controversy in the nutritional data that getting straight unbiased information is just not possible. The fact that humans are an incredibly robust species that can live on multiple different food types, if they need to, does not help in identifying which food is optimal for each individual.

The carnivore diet is often used as simply an elimination diet. The number of potential problems associated with our current multi foods diet is staggering. Eating simple animal-based protein and fat has proven highly effective at stabilizing not only physical health but mental health as well. It might help you in dealing with whatever it is that you face.
 
So judging by the low activity this thread is showing, I am the only nut job here living on a meat and animal-based diet?

This video is on oxalates and gives a realistic and balanced synopsis of what they are and what they can do.


that sounds horrible. good whole food straight from the ground is too good to deprive yourself of it. meat is good and all... but life without veggies oh hell no.
 
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life without growing veggies would be the worst part of that life I think. putting a seed or sprout in the ground, nuturing it, and then harvesting the roots and fruits and leaves is so infinitly fulfilling. Catching fish is nice too, combining the two is very nice. I do wish the fish were not so full of pcbs, mercury, cadmium, pfas and other nasty l crap. . i would eat much more fish if it wasnt tainted like that.
 
that sounds horrible. good whole food straight from the ground is too good to deprive yourself of it. meat is good and all... but life without veggies oh hell no.
LOL! The world is full of people that live to eat. The social, emotional and in more cases than most are willing to admit addictiveness of what is considered normal foods, runs very, very deep and strong.

If anyone takes the time to read or watch the links I have posted, it should become abundantly clear that the vast majority of time humans have walked the earth, they have adapted the ability to thrive on animal-based foods. We have zero 'need' of ingested carbs or fiber! We can, however, still extract nutrients and survive on a wide variety of substances when needed, do to our primate-based heritage.

Being able to survive is not synonymous with optimal and disregards the potential biochemical disruption of plant-based compounds.
 
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To me that sounds like pure fantasy. I tuned out as soon as Dr Chaffee said that native Americans and aboriginal Australians were pure carnivores. The hunter/gatherer myth is just that a myth. no culture ever has lived on only meat, with the Inuit possibly coming the closest but who still harvest and store greens both from the sea and land during their short summer months. spending a lot of energy and resources to get that in their diet, even eating the partially digested vegetarian contents of caribou stomachs.. There is also no traditional culture that is vegan. Both of those options are completely unrealistic and unpractical and unhealthy. the current era of meat everywhere and everything is an absolute anomaly with feedlots and government subsidized petroleum and feed stock, and deforested rainforest. As is the huge reliance on sugar, white rice and white flour in our diets. Meat is something that was eaten when people were successful in their harvest or hunt and could spare a cow or the oxen got sick.

Native Americans who lived with the buffalo also ate the bounty from the earth. Native Americans are responsible for the development of Squash, Beans, Peppers, Tomatoes, wild rice, potatoes, corn, pecans, sunflowers, chia, sweet potatoes, avocados, papayas, pinapples, quinoa, and many other types of fruits, all of which were unheard of in the East. The Aztecs and Maya and southern tribes figured out how to breed and nixtamalate corn, the most technologically advanced purely human developed grain capable of totally human controlled genetic manipulation. the incas created thousands of varieties potatoes and quinoa.

When the Europeans "discovered" America and the wonderful ingenious corn that was eaten here they took it back to Europe but forgot to take the Nixtamilization process as well back with them. As a result when it was introduced as a staple, people started dying of niacin deficiency. Referring to Native Americans as simple Hunter Gatherers, fails to capture even a portion of the whole story.

The natives of California cultivated acorns as a staple and fought pitched battles over the most productive oak groves. One quick look at aboriginal Australian diets shows a wide variety of seeds, nuts, fruits, tubers, even a traditional bread prepared from seeds.


And if for some reason if you are right that humans are designed to only eat meat, still to hell with that. That sounds like an absolutely miserable life. But to each their own.
 
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To me that sounds like pure fantasy. I tuned out as soon as Dr Chaffee said that native Americans and aboriginal Australians were pure carnivores. The hunter/gatherer myth is just that a myth...
Tuning out a speaker because you perceived they were wrong about an aspect of a discussion, is a currently common occurrence and, frankly, stupid. Nobody is going to be right about everything, nobody. So who will that leave us for reliable and trusted information?

Adaptive evolution does not happen in a few thousand years. There has been no upwards change in humans in the last 11,000 to 8,000 years. Just a weakening of individual strength in favor of societal strength. However, there is plenty of evidence in fossil records to verify exactly what was being eaten by humans during several millennia of upwards development. Predominantly animal-based with small amounts of plant material.

The "myth of hunter/gatherers", really? You are suggesting they weren't both? What, they were vegetarians??? LOL!
 
His entire premise was based on a falsehood that you seem to completely buy into. Our ancestors were Humans who ate what nourished them. they weren't so stupid to not eat food based on whether it moved or stood still.

Hunter/gatherer implies that humans were at the whim of their environment and responding to their environment rather than cultivating and manipulating it to suit their needs. This is a myth and discounts the work and thought that early humans societies put in to ensure their survival. Herding, planting, the use of fire, selective breeding are all parts of what make humans humans.
 
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@DSMc I think that you have a tendency to insert yourself into every discussion, and you come in with the presumption that you know the truth, citing lots of YouTube videos, and you respond to other viewpoints with condescension. You take up all the oxygen in the room in every thread you get involved in. Your climbing expertise is appreciated but do the Buzz as a whole a favor and just let other people have a conversation without you in it once in a while, unless you're open to actual dialogue. I have a degree in anthropology along with a couple others, and everything Kevin just said is in line with my formal education on the subject. I put a lot more stock in information gleaned by experts over hundreds of years than in YouTube videos released within the last 5 years. Just listen for a while instead of trying to set us all straight with your truths. I doubt I'm the only one who feels this way.
 
An interesting read about how the United States and the nutritional “experts” set forth dietary guidelines that recommend carbs / sugar and labeling fat as bad.


 
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I could go to college and get a degree and become a qualified nutritionist, but if the dietary guidelines that our whole healthcare and education system is built on are wrong, does that make what I say true because I have credentials and I’m considered an expert?
 
@Njdelaney, so discussion is best left to agreement and concensus?

You defend modern scientific findings on health and nutrition. How's that working for the enlightened populations?
 
Discussion is great when it is dialogue, as I said. And yes, I defend actual scientific findings. I don't defend the recommendations of the FDA and I don't blindly accept that any corporation or government agency has our best interest in mind. Also, what is your implication when putting quotes around the word enlightened? Is there something intrinsically wrong with having an education? It doesn't preclude having common sense and practical experience. In fact, each one augments the other. Most subjects on here devolve into exactly this once you start tooting your horn of righteousness, which at least for me is a disincentive to participate. This is coming from someone who has learned some important things from your posts on climbing. Consider leaving a little room for discussion if you truly value it as you say.
 

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