Health / Fitness and Nutrition Thread

climbingmonkey24 said:
One thing I read is that not all LDL cholesterol is bad. There are multiple forms of LDL cholesterol and only one specific one can cause problems. Forgot where I read that, might've been in the book. But that's something to investigate.

Regarding Keto, I'm aware of the risks with ketones. While I have never personally done full on keto, I believe there is a process people will do to adjust their body's accordingly. I don't know the specific number, but to be in keto you typically would be eating less than 50g of carbs a day.
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There's subsets of LDL, some worse than others.

Your lipid panels and subsequent risk of atherosclerosis is largely genetic but high stress can play a part as well as a dogshit, I mean really, really chronically bad, diet can play a part.
 
Also, gluconeogenesis is need driven, not supply driven. Meaning, your liver will always supply some glucose as certain organs require it but eating higher amounts of protein won't stimulate crazy amounts of glucose/glycogen production.

Low carb works for me, have some keto meals if not days but will occasionally indulge is some potatoes or a nice ale if the mood strikes me and it's been a while. Last A1C was 5.0
 
The purpose of the video is to point out the blatantly false belief that a calorie is just a calorie and is a poor gauge for the basing of nutritional measurements.

Your experience in dietary changes would have failed without considering the actual nutritional content of those 5 to 6 thousand calories.
 
@climbingmonkey24 , curious on your thoughts about this discussion. Dr. Chaffee is the most strict advocate of a zero plant-based carnivore lifestyle that I have listened to.

This is a long video but it does have time stamps that will speed things up. He specifically mentions that he was able to put on 27lbs of lean muscle mass in just a 5 week period, with zero carbs.


 
DSMc said:
@climbingmonkey24 , curious on your thoughts about this discussion. Dr. Chaffee is the most strict advocate of a zero plant-based carnivore lifestyle that I have listened to.

This is a long video but it does have time stamps that will speed things up. He specifically mentions that he was able to put on 27lbs of lean muscle mass in just a 5 week period, with zero carbs.


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27 lbs of lean mass in 5 weeks... perhaps on significant amounts of PEDs

No way your're putting that amount of lean weight on naturally in that amount of time
 
JD3000 said:
Not that amount. No way. 5lbs a week?
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Truth be told, and I’m not bragging by any means, I put on about 40-50 pounds in the span of 4-5 months a while ago. Naturally. Mostly lean muscle with minimal fat gain.

I’m not suggesting it’s realistic for most people by any means, and my circumstances happened to be somewhat unique. But I’ve always tried to take the approach of being open minded, not limiting my potential with my mindset etc. Realizing that everyone is different and what may be realistic for one person may not be realistic for another.

There again just my thoughts. I’m not suggesting the average person can gain that much muscle in such a short amount of time.

You are absolutely right, there are plenty of bodybuilders out there taking “stuff” etc. no doubt about it.
 
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climbingmonkey24 said:
Truth be told, and I’m not bragging by any means, I put on about 50 pounds in the span of 4-5 months a while ago. Naturally. Mostly lean muscle with minimal fat gain.

I’m not suggesting it’s realistic for most people by any means, and my circumstances happened to be somewhat unique. But I’ve always tried to take the approach of being open minded, not limiting my potential with my mindset etc. Realizing that everyone is different and what may be realistic for one person may not be realistic for another.

There again just my thoughts. I’m not suggesting the average person can gain that much muscle in such a short amount of time,
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I can put on five pounds a week, no problem! A donut with breakfast and a slice of cake with dinner will make that happen easily! It won’t be lean muscle though, it will be pure fat…
 
Even if Dr. Chaffee was exaggerating on his weight gain, how can zero carbs and zero fiber, just red meat, work, long term, if our nutritional science is accurate?
 
DSMc said:
Even if Dr. Chaffee was exaggerating on his weight gain, how can zero carbs and zero fiber, just red meat, work, long term, if our nutritional science is accurate?
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Still working on the video so don’t want to comment on anything I haven’t seen yet.

But, regarding weight gain calories in versus calories expended. So if someone is burning a certain amount of calories but eating more than that from meat, they could gain weight.

Personally I’ve never really looked into or considered the carnivore diet very much. Keto yes but there is more variety with keto.
 
So judging by the low activity this thread is showing, I am the only nut job here living on a meat and animal-based diet?

This video is on oxalates and gives a realistic and balanced synopsis of what they are and what they can do.


 
Meat, eggs, cheese, whole milk (animal-based foods) are all staples in my everyday diet. Just been busy this week and haven’t had the opportunity to finish the videos.

I was having a discussion the other day with someone about the carnivore diet and nutrition, and the impact the nutritional guidelines set forth by health agencies have on health and illness.

If studies contradict what mainstream medicine / health agencies advocate why are we not re-evaluating diet recommendations but still recommending the same thing?

An interesting thought:

“There’s no money to be had in healthy people.”
 
If it works for you then do it. Everyone needs to find there own homeostasis.

Nowadays anyone can find evidence to support their own world views.
 
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Nowadays anyone can find evidence to support their own world views.
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That is a fact but has no relationship to what is true. Each one of us is born with these huge brains, yet are continually told to "listen to the experts". Basically conditioned to 'not' think for ourselves and let someone else, presumably with no other thought than to make our lives better, do it for you. Is that truly their sole motivation?

Maybe it's time to become a little more proactive in our journey through this world.

Just because many people believe something to be true does not make it so.
 
DSMc said:
That is a fact but has no relationship to what is true. Each one of us is born with these huge brains, yet are continually told to "listen to the experts". Basically conditioned to 'not' think for ourselves and let someone else, presumably with no other thought than to make our lives better, do it for you. Is that truly their sole motivation?

Maybe it's time to become a little more proactive in our journey through this world.

Just because many people believe something to be true does not make it so.
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I started adopting the thinking back in high school at a young age of taking responsibility for my own health and life and not just taking the “experts” or “medical professionals” word at everything. And I don’t mean that I think I know better, but that I should do my own research to make a more informed decision.

Modern medicine treats many things with drugs to simply manage or mask the symptoms but that could possibly be reversed naturally by lifestyle changes and nutrition. Unfortunately I feel like some people consider more natural forms of healing / medicine to be a bunch of nonsense and just do what the “experts” say to do. And of course not everything can be treated naturally and drugs / treatments may be necessary. But it doesn’t hurt to look at all the information before making a decision regarding your health.

And again I’m not trying to discredit modern medicine or doctors or medical / healthcare professionals, just saying that doing your due diligence for your own health is a good thing.
 
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