Health / Fitness and Nutrition Thread

climbingmonkey24 said:
I could go to college and get a degree and become a qualified nutritionist, but if the dietary guidelines that our whole healthcare and education system is built on are wrong, does that make what I say true because I have credentials and I’m considered an expert?
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Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. If what you say is true, what you say is true, regardless of credentials. If you get a degree as a dietician or nutritionist, you have more information than you do now, which increases your understanding of the subject. I don't love our healthcare system either, nor do I like subsidies and lobbies for factory farming. That is not the same thing as getting an education.
 
Njdelaney said:
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. If what you say is true, what you say is true, regardless of credentials. If you get a degree as a dietician or nutritionist, you have more information than you do now, which increases your understanding of the subject. I don't love our healthcare system either, nor do I like subsidies and lobbies for factory farming. That is not the same thing as getting an education.
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I actually have taken some college classes on fitness and nutrition. But is a college education necessarily superior to self-education in this case? Who knows.
 
It depends on how deep you go, how you determine what sources are reliable, whether you start out to learn rather than to actually just reinforce an existing viewpoint, and other things. College degrees aren't just thrown together bits of information. Nobody NEEDS an education to have a happy, productive or healthy life but devaluing education is folly at the same time.
 
climbingmonkey24 said:
An interesting read about how the United States and the nutritional “experts” set forth dietary guidelines that recommend carbs / sugar and labeling fat as bad.


www.levelshealth.com

Why have dietary guidelines been so wrong, and how do they still need to change?

Official dietary guidelines play a significant role in setting policy and habits. Here’s why they once demonized fat in favor of carbs and why they still recommend added sugar.
www.levelshealth.com
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climbingmonkey24 said:
Now I’m confused.

when I say high fat I don’t mean essentially what I’m doing is a mix of keto as well as moderate to high carb.

I just mean compared to the average person trying to stay away from fat what I do may not be considered low fat because I drink whole milk, eat whole eggs, eat red meat, etc. All things that have fat.

I would say on a high calorie diet for me depending what bodybuilding phase I’m in it’s usually higher to moderate carb, moderate to high protein, moderate fat. But I guess it depends what you classify as low, moderate, and high in terms of each macronutrient and that could vary depending on the amount of calories you’re eating right?

Are you looking at it in grams or as a percentage of total calories?

The reason I’ve never gone full fat and low carb is I like the way I look on higher carb. Maybe someday I’ll try full on keto we will see.

For a while my goal has been to gain weight and add size so I eat for that purpose.
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No offense @climbingmonkey24, but with your admitted mental health issues you should think long and hard before embarking on a "full carnivore" diet. Without knowing your genetic makeup, your possible mutations/SNP's, and potential methylation pathway issues, it could be a recipe for disaster.
 
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Dr chaffee also mentioned that dogs are supposed to be carnivores. If you look at coyote scat, it is often a large percentage of seeds. Bears are thought to be carnivores, but that is not true at all. None of our closest mammilian relatives are carnivores. Nor are they vegans.
 
if dogs had evolved to be carnivores, they would have also evolved the ability to catch whatever they needed, like cats or owls. neither humans or dogs have that ability. Dogs have the ability to make their own vitamin c though, which monkeys and primates dont have.
 
DSMc said:
If you haven't tried a fully carnivore diet you might want to give it a try. It is simple and will not hamper your body building efforts too much if at all. There is so much controversy in the nutritional data that getting straight unbiased information is just not possible. The fact that humans are an incredibly robust species that can live on multiple different food types, if they need to, does not help in identifying which food is optimal for each individual.

The carnivore diet is often used as simply an elimination diet. The number of potential problems associated with our current multi foods diet is staggering. Eating simple animal-based protein and fat has proven highly effective at stabilizing not only physical health but mental health as well. It might help you in dealing with whatever it is that you face.
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On what fucking planet are you qualified to be handing out dietary advice to people without having any knowledge of their medical history or their genetic makeup. Please do us all a favor and stop before you make someone sick.
 
i hope Dave keeps sharing. For me, his diet is about the most unappealing extreme diets imaginable, on par with veganism... but I do find it interesting and I think it is the point of this thread for people to share. If anyone were to listen to Dave and only eat carcasses, the consequences would be completely on them and not Dave.

Many vegans are Vegans are Vegans for ethical, moral, environmental reasons, and are not doing it for health.. I can sort of understand that and I know of some Vegans that manage to be very healthy at the same time. I also know of very many vegans who look on the verge of death. I imagine that there are some carnivores the same way. I might more attention to a diet guru who was 90 and in spectacular health who had been following a particular diet their whole life. I dont put much stock in hot 20 and 30 year olds preaching any sort of diet like in one of those carnivore podcasts Dave shared. I was also hot and in spectacular health in my 20s on a diet mainly consisting of ramen, tacos, beer and weed.
 
rico said:
On what fucking planet are you qualified to be handing out dietary advice to people without having any knowledge of their medical history or their genetic makeup. Please do us all a favor and stop before you make someone sick.
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So, another personal attack against the way I post, the information that I try to share or even, as voiced by others, my style of doing so. I say what I believe and believe what I say based on a careful and open look at whatever that may be. I have always tried to be polite and considerate of others feelings while at the same time maintaining my beliefs and my right to express them.

@climbingmonkey24 , is a young smart individual/climber looking for view points on the thread title. I gave mine. If those view points mirrored everyone else's, they would have little value effecting a change, which is what most questions are looking for. Anyone looking at the current state of health and fitness, can easily recognize that the science-based protocols are failing, big-time.

I will now leave this thread in the hopes it will become more enjoyable.
 
DSMc said:
So, another personal attack against the way I post, the information that I try to share or even, as voiced by others, my style of doing so. I say what I believe and believe what I say based on a careful and open look at whatever that may be. I have always tried to be polite and considerate of others feelings while at the same time maintaining my beliefs and my right to express them.

@climbingmonkey24 , is a young smart individual/climber looking for view points on the thread title. I gave mine. If those view points mirrored everyone else's, they would have little value effecting a change, which is what most questions are looking for. Anyone looking at the current state of health and fitness, can easily recognize that the science-based protocols are failing, big-time.

I will now leave this thread in the hopes it will become more enjoyable.
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Please don’t stop posting, I can appreciate what you have contributed to this thread. Not everyone is going to agree with it, but it is what it is.

I personally did NOT take it that you were trying to give diet advice or force your opinions on others, but that you are passionate about nutrition as I am as well and wanting to engage in discussion.
 
treebing said:
I think Tom Brady has diet advice with results that back it up.
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His seems pretty legit as far as being anti inflammatory but nightshade veggies are often listed as both pro and anti inflammatory so who knows. I know I enjoy these veggies myself and will continue to do so. His diet seems a bit too blah for me
 
DSMc said:
I say what I believe and believe what I say based on a careful and open look at whatever that may be.
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Gee Dave, were you being "careful and open" when you recommended that @climbingmonkey24 embark on the carnivore diet despite you having zero knowledge concerning the status of his liver and kidney function, or knowing whether he carries any mutations/SNPs which would make it very difficult, or impossible for him to deal with the increase in ammonia (a well known neurotoxin) that would come from the carnivore diet? Or were you simply unaware that our bodies produce ammonia when we breakdown protein, and that certain individuals can become very sick if they consume too much protein?
 
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While I can appreciate the concern for people’s health and safety....

To be fair I didn’t think Dave was pressuring me into trying anything. It was just an opinion / viewpoint about nutrition and diet which is part of what the thread is about. It was a good discussion. And I like the passion for health and nutrition.

I mean we are all adults right? We are responsible for our own health and decision making. Just because someone suggests something doesn’t mean you have to follow it, it’s just their opinion.
 
climbingmonkey24 said:
While I can appreciate the concern for people’s health and safety....

To be fair I didn’t think Dave was pressuring me into trying anything. It was just an opinion / viewpoint about nutrition and diet which is part of what the thread is about. It was a good discussion. And I like the passion for health and nutrition.

I mean we are all adults right? We are responsible for our own health and decision making. Just because someone suggests something doesn’t mean you have to follow it, it’s just their opinion.
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Did Dave recommend that you try the carnivore diet? Yep.
Does Dave have a clue as to whether your body would be able to handle to increase in ammonia that would come from such and extreme diet? Nope
Is Dave qualified to be handing out dietary recommendations? Clearly he is not.
 
i dont think there is anyone really qualified to give out food advice for someone elses body. its really all opinion and anecdotal evidence. "studies show" lol. Dave is very fit and healthy so he is very qualified to share what works for him.
 
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