easyphloem
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Grassroots for Bernie Sanders 2016
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cerviarborist
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I mix those up all the time. Easy mistake to make.
Economies and corporations explained using cows.
(it all makes sense now):
http://m.imgur.com/gallery/tuG5A
(it all makes sense now):
http://m.imgur.com/gallery/tuG5A
TC
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For the last few months, young American liberals have been writing love letters to a white-haired 73-year-old former mayor from Vermont who supports gun owners and worries about the threat posed by mass immigration to ‘American kids’. Only now is it dawning on them that they may have been sending them to the wrong address.
The love letters took the form of articles in Salon, Slate and dozens of other, like, really cool websites. The recipient was Bernie Sanders, the only US senator to declare himself a socialist. Which is also really cool, because it must mean he hates the Republicans and the One Per Cent. So what if he was born in 1941? Seniors are a ‘minority’, right? This man has been a social justice warrior for decades. Awesome!
And so the message went out from Salon and Slate to its readers: put down your latte and retweet the latest news about how a real progressive is going to humiliate fake-progressive Hillary and then lead the charge against the GOP (or, at least, wave it on with his walking stick. Does he use a walking stick? Quick, somebody Google it. Maybe he’s a social justice warrior with a disability, which is even more awesome).
The cool websites wrote headlines they could spray all over Twitter – or, if they were still in college or high school, slot between the hot chick and the YouTube clip of Jon Stewart on their Tumblr.
And then, last weekend, Bernie Sanders stopped being awesome.
The Daily Dot, a cool tech website, broke the sad news. On Saturday, Bernie and other candidates were being interviewed at NetRoots Nation, a gathering of progressive activists in Phoenix. Things didn’t turn out as planned:
When #BlackLivesMatter activists crashed the event to confront the candidates on police brutality, mass incarceration, and other issues of structural racism, Sanders quickly lost his patience. He was a couple of minutes into a stump speech about corporate control of media and economic policy changes when protestors demanded that he #SayHerName, referring to Sandra Bland, Kindra Chapman, and other black women who have died in police custody.
His response, according to many critics, fell short:
‘Black lives, of course, matter. I spent 50 years of my life fighting for civil rights and dignity, but if you don’t want me to be here, that’s OK. I don’t want to out-scream you.’
#BlackLivesMatter is a pressure group that campaigns against the ‘extrajudicial killings of black people by police and vigilantes’, a subject of intense concern to America’s black community. Its also ‘affirms the lives of black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, black undocumented folks, folks with records, women and all black lives along the gender spectrum’.
It’s fair to say that the gender spectrum isn’t high on the black political agenda – indeed, supporters of #BlackLivesMatter tie themselves in knots trying to explain away homophobia in the black community. But it does matter to the hipster students and white suburban teenagers who believe they can defeat racism and transphobia with the mighty hashtag. In other words, #BlackLivesMatter tries to bridge the gulf between working-class blacks and folks who shop at Whole Foods Austin (which I’ve visited and, yup, their granola is truly rad).
Their task isn’t made easier by the fact that these two social tribes don’t run into each other very often. Black kids being harassed by the police rarely show up in coffee shops in search of ‘perfectly blanked lattes’ made with ‘artisanal, hand-roasted beans’. And somehow I doubt that they’re greatly missed. In fact, there’s quite a lot of tension between racial minorities and their online champions with Instagram-archived bedhead hair – though you probably wouldn’t guess it from reading Slate.
Enter Bernie Sanders, who marched for civil rights in the 1960s. He was just the man to paper over the cracks. Or so it seemed to liberals who hadn’t read his Wikipedia entry, which records that as a congressman he ‘voted for a National Rifle Association (NRA)-supported bill to restrict lawsuits against gun manufacturers’.
Maybe that’s because, although born in New York, he lives in the hunting grounds of Vermont. More significantly, he’s passionately opposed to open-door immigration.
That’s because he’s a socialist, a concept that Whole Foods customers don’t understand: they just think it means a quaint old liberal with really radical opinions. He sees immigration as a threat to working-class jobs.
Now, it’s true that Sanders is liberal on social issues: he’s pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage and very green. (His brother Larry, who lives in England, was Green Party candidate for Oxford West and Abingdon in the 2015 general election.)
But his liberalism is an aspect of his socialism, not the other way around. He sees inequality in America as structural and economic: poor black and white people are victims of the same fundamental injustice.
To put it another way, he believes that black lives matter but isn’t keen on #BlackLivesMatter, with its overblown and distracting rhetoric about ‘white supremacy’. He’s opposed to rhetorical harassment by campus thought police as well as physical harassment by actual police.
The love letters took the form of articles in Salon, Slate and dozens of other, like, really cool websites. The recipient was Bernie Sanders, the only US senator to declare himself a socialist. Which is also really cool, because it must mean he hates the Republicans and the One Per Cent. So what if he was born in 1941? Seniors are a ‘minority’, right? This man has been a social justice warrior for decades. Awesome!
And so the message went out from Salon and Slate to its readers: put down your latte and retweet the latest news about how a real progressive is going to humiliate fake-progressive Hillary and then lead the charge against the GOP (or, at least, wave it on with his walking stick. Does he use a walking stick? Quick, somebody Google it. Maybe he’s a social justice warrior with a disability, which is even more awesome).
The cool websites wrote headlines they could spray all over Twitter – or, if they were still in college or high school, slot between the hot chick and the YouTube clip of Jon Stewart on their Tumblr.
And then, last weekend, Bernie Sanders stopped being awesome.
The Daily Dot, a cool tech website, broke the sad news. On Saturday, Bernie and other candidates were being interviewed at NetRoots Nation, a gathering of progressive activists in Phoenix. Things didn’t turn out as planned:
When #BlackLivesMatter activists crashed the event to confront the candidates on police brutality, mass incarceration, and other issues of structural racism, Sanders quickly lost his patience. He was a couple of minutes into a stump speech about corporate control of media and economic policy changes when protestors demanded that he #SayHerName, referring to Sandra Bland, Kindra Chapman, and other black women who have died in police custody.
His response, according to many critics, fell short:
‘Black lives, of course, matter. I spent 50 years of my life fighting for civil rights and dignity, but if you don’t want me to be here, that’s OK. I don’t want to out-scream you.’
#BlackLivesMatter is a pressure group that campaigns against the ‘extrajudicial killings of black people by police and vigilantes’, a subject of intense concern to America’s black community. Its also ‘affirms the lives of black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, black undocumented folks, folks with records, women and all black lives along the gender spectrum’.
It’s fair to say that the gender spectrum isn’t high on the black political agenda – indeed, supporters of #BlackLivesMatter tie themselves in knots trying to explain away homophobia in the black community. But it does matter to the hipster students and white suburban teenagers who believe they can defeat racism and transphobia with the mighty hashtag. In other words, #BlackLivesMatter tries to bridge the gulf between working-class blacks and folks who shop at Whole Foods Austin (which I’ve visited and, yup, their granola is truly rad).
Their task isn’t made easier by the fact that these two social tribes don’t run into each other very often. Black kids being harassed by the police rarely show up in coffee shops in search of ‘perfectly blanked lattes’ made with ‘artisanal, hand-roasted beans’. And somehow I doubt that they’re greatly missed. In fact, there’s quite a lot of tension between racial minorities and their online champions with Instagram-archived bedhead hair – though you probably wouldn’t guess it from reading Slate.
Enter Bernie Sanders, who marched for civil rights in the 1960s. He was just the man to paper over the cracks. Or so it seemed to liberals who hadn’t read his Wikipedia entry, which records that as a congressman he ‘voted for a National Rifle Association (NRA)-supported bill to restrict lawsuits against gun manufacturers’.
Maybe that’s because, although born in New York, he lives in the hunting grounds of Vermont. More significantly, he’s passionately opposed to open-door immigration.
That’s because he’s a socialist, a concept that Whole Foods customers don’t understand: they just think it means a quaint old liberal with really radical opinions. He sees immigration as a threat to working-class jobs.
Now, it’s true that Sanders is liberal on social issues: he’s pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage and very green. (His brother Larry, who lives in England, was Green Party candidate for Oxford West and Abingdon in the 2015 general election.)
But his liberalism is an aspect of his socialism, not the other way around. He sees inequality in America as structural and economic: poor black and white people are victims of the same fundamental injustice.
To put it another way, he believes that black lives matter but isn’t keen on #BlackLivesMatter, with its overblown and distracting rhetoric about ‘white supremacy’. He’s opposed to rhetorical harassment by campus thought police as well as physical harassment by actual police.
cerviarborist
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TC, I'm sure you meant to credit that screed as an out of date piece published over 6 months ago, by Damian Thompson in The Spectator, and didn't want to claim it as your own work.
The problem with that piece, is it's out of date, and out of step. Black Lives Matter and Mr. Sanders get along just fine. He didn't attempt to minimize or mute the voices of the women who took his stage. He listened to their issues, and embraced them. His main opponent on the other hand, refused to listen to a young woman who called her out on "Bringing them to Heel" during a stump speech and had the young lady escorted off the premises.
Of course, if you'd properly cited the piece, any thinking person viewing it would greatly discount it as irrelevant.
The problem with that piece, is it's out of date, and out of step. Black Lives Matter and Mr. Sanders get along just fine. He didn't attempt to minimize or mute the voices of the women who took his stage. He listened to their issues, and embraced them. His main opponent on the other hand, refused to listen to a young woman who called her out on "Bringing them to Heel" during a stump speech and had the young lady escorted off the premises.
Of course, if you'd properly cited the piece, any thinking person viewing it would greatly discount it as irrelevant.
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TC
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Yes it was taken from a Spectator article, I dropped it into the thread as it was relevant to the discussion. Don't shoot the messenger. Although people like Bernie Sanders would probably appreciate it if you did.
macswan
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Yeah Bernie loves shooting people!
(Haven't been here in a while. Seems like the summer tree work is already here.)
And thanks for refuting the article with facts. Do you deny that there are 85 Sharia courts?
Your "due diligence" consisted of typing 2 sentences of your opinion.
9 times out of 10, they go hand in hand. Example: Islam. Not only are they the ones who have 7 wives, they are also the ones who stone homosexuals and throw adulterers off of roofs. Oh, yea, and they are also for destroying any and all who will not become Muslim; that would be the rest of the world--Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, etc (that's bigotry), . Cutting heads off, drowning, burning alive, etc. So, yea--Islam is where you find bigotry and polygamy.
On that note--they should be Mac's mortal enemy. He believes overpopulation is the worlds biggest problem. In that case, Muslims are the worlds worst offenders. They pride themselves on having 20+ children. (pride--get it--like a lion pride?
) To contrast that, Germany's birth rate is no longer keeping pace with its death rate. America is almost at that point as well. So, it is not the West that is "overpopulating" the world--it's Islam.Their strategy is two pronged: 1. destroy all infidels (non-Muslim)--bigotry
2. overwhelm the remaining populations of the world by propagation--polygamy
Glad you noticed the distinction SZ
"Bernie Sanders: I Am A Strong Feminist, "Gloria Steinem Made Me An Honorary Woman Many Years Ago""
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...inem_made_me_an_honorary_woman_years_ago.html
Bernie "doesn't understand what it means" to be defined as an "honorary woman". There are no absolutes for these people. I wonder if he knows that 2+2=4?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...inem_made_me_an_honorary_woman_years_ago.html
Bernie "doesn't understand what it means" to be defined as an "honorary woman". There are no absolutes for these people. I wonder if he knows that 2+2=4?
TimBr
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9 times out of 10, they go hand in hand. Example: Islam. Not only are they the ones who have 7 wives, they are also the ones who stone homosexuals and throw adulterers off of roofs. Oh, yea, and they are also for destroying any and all who will not become Muslim; that would be the rest of the world--Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, etc (that's bigotry), . Cutting heads off, drowning, burning alive, etc. So, yea--Islam is where you find bigotry and polygamy.
On that note--they should be Mac's mortal enemy. He believes overpopulation is the worlds biggest problem. In that case, Muslims are the worlds worst offenders. They pride themselves on having 20+ children. (pride--get it--like a lion pride?
Their strategy is two pronged: 1. destroy all infidels (non-Muslim)--bigotry
2. overwhelm the remaining populations of the world by propagation--polygamy
Glad you noticed the distinction SZ
Great post. I had not heard about step two. It makes perfect sense, and is elegent in its simplicity. With that plan in place, they do not need to conquer a nation by force initially. All they need to do is to get a foot in the door, bide their time, populate like crazy, and then once their numbers are high enough, start pushing people around.
Which is exactly how it seems to play out, over and over, to me. I don't know what the answer is.
Tim
cerviarborist
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It seemed relevant for about a half hour on the day it occurred, until it became apparent that it wasn't going to turn into a divisive issue in his campaign. Today...not so much.
.....I'm going to drop in this blurb about Fred beating his wife every day (even though the statement was made 6 months ago and it was almost immediately found to be incorrect, because Fred actually meets his wife every day), because it's relevant (to my world-view)
.....I'm going to drop in this blurb about Fred beating his wife every day (even though the statement was made 6 months ago and it was almost immediately found to be incorrect, because Fred actually meets his wife every day), because it's relevant (to my world-view)
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easyphloem
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- Louisville, KY
9 times out of 10, they go hand in hand. Example: Islam. Not only are they the ones who have 7 wives, they are also the ones who stone homosexuals and throw adulterers off of roofs. Oh, yea, and they are also for destroying any and all who will not become Muslim; that would be the rest of the world--Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, etc (that's bigotry), . Cutting heads off, drowning, burning alive, etc. So, yea--Islam is where you find bigotry and polygamy.
On that note--they should be Mac's mortal enemy. He believes overpopulation is the worlds biggest problem. In that case, Muslims are the worlds worst offenders. They pride themselves on having 20+ children. (pride--get it--like a lion pride?
Their strategy is two pronged: 1. destroy all infidels (non-Muslim)--bigotry
2. overwhelm the remaining populations of the world by propagation--polygamy
Glad you noticed the distinction SZ
OK. So you meant polygamy when you typed bigotry, but it doesn't matter, cause they're the same. Got it.
SZ
treegongfu
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Not only do they mean the same but BRT followed with another stream of polygamy. I think he may be muslim.
123Craig
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Do you mean islamic extremists? - Or do you actually believe that just under a quarter of the world's population want to destroy 'all who will not become Muslim' (or the other 3/4)?
- If you believe this - can you provide proof for your beliefs beyond all reasonable doubt. Thank you.
123Craig
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...overpopulation is the worlds biggest problem. In that case, Muslims are the worlds worst offenders. They pride themselves on having 20+ children. (pride--get it--like a lion pride?
Uhhmm - I take it there is more than a little exaggeration on your part...
Can you prove to me that Muslims have the largest families? - Can you also prove to me that their religion has/has not any bearing on the size of the families? - If you want, you could also prove to me that there are some with '20+ children'? - Can you also prove to me that your definition of overpopulation should be identified as such?
Thanks
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BBC says 85: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-16522447
Metro states the same number: http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/09/the-t...e-they-actually-helping-muslim-women-5550427/
Are you arguing that there aren't any? How absurd! If you think the number is lower; cite the source and estimate.
This burden of proof does not fall to me. Take a look around the world. Have you been asleep for the last 20 years?
Take a look at just 2015 alone:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
