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I like Sanders over Hillary and especially Trump, but none would be my choice, I wish Ben Sasse would run as a third party candidate.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/sassi...sassing-donald-6_facebook.com&utm_content=TWS

Saw a funny sign that a friend posted, It was a yard sign supporting Bernie, except it had been neatly cut in half, and the missing half had the hand written text attached,
"I took half of your sign because you had one and I didn't. I'm sure you understand."
 
Despite what the corporate media says .. It ain't over.. Hillary does well in the brain washed South so all the States she did well in already came and gone . Bernie has won the last 3 outa 4 from weekend and now Michigan! More people are feeling the Bern than the brainwashing media let's on ! Lol
 
Bernie does better against Republicans because unlike liarillary who is a republic can in disguise He can beat them crooks .. She is one of them crooks.. Fact!
 
Income inequality seems to be a big issue for the left these days. One of the ways Bernie intends to deal with it is to increase the minimum wage to $15hr. Why not $100hr? Can we try a thought experiment? Examples help me conceptualize:

You are tired of working for the man, so you head out on your own and start your own tree service business. You work by yourself for a while. Once you start getting more difficult jobs you think wouldn't it be nice if I had a guy(or gal) that could help me with the rigging. Maybe someone who could untie the branches, send me back the rope, drag the debris out of the drop zone, maybe move the trailer... just the minimum. Now, because you have done your homework, you understand all your expenses(equipment, insurance, etc..) so you determine for $7.50 an hour you can hire Joe, So you do. Joe can untie a knot, he can send you back your bull rope, and he can usually move the trailer without damaging something. He can do the minimum but he's usually on his cell phone, taking smoke breaks, and eating.

You try to teach Joe how to use a chainsaw but he keeps running it into the dirt. You try to teach Joe to tie knots but it doesn't take. You try to teach Joe how to let pieces run but he doesn't get it and he's going to get you killed. After 2 months of frustration with Joe you feel he isn't even worth the $7.50 an hour you budgeted. You decide to keep him because at least he can untie a knot and you would rather not be working alone and he makes you laugh sometimes. Business is picking up and you find Bob. Bob is amazing. He can run a chainsaw without putting it in the dirt. He looks up when you are cutting. In his spare time, you find out he's been reading "Tree Climbers Companion", "Fundamentals of Tree Work", this website. He's eager to learn. After 1 month you bump him up to $10hr because he's making you money.

Then Bernie gets elected President and increases the minimum wage to $15hr.

Here is my question:

Does increasing the minimum wage increase Joe's value to your company?
Are you gonna keep him?

Thanks,
Chris
I pay 20$ and that saw still hits dirt on occasion, but I also belive in a living wage
 
After reading all 16 pages, I was going to post something intelligent but I decided to drink another beer.. Now I have to get my kid in bed so he can go to one of those commie schools in a old growth forest.
@macswan hey at least it's your two plus my one on our team.
 
I like Sanders over Hillary and especially Trump, but none would be my choice, I wish Ben Sasse would run as a third party candidate.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/sassing-the-donald/article/2001404/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=20160304_TWS-mag-sassing-donald-6_facebook.com&utm_content=TWS

Saw a funny sign that a friend posted, It was a yard sign supporting Bernie, except it had been neatly cut in half, and the missing half had the hand written text attached,
"I took half of your sign because you had one and I didn't. I'm sure you understand."
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Yeah, but I hire my friends, peers, and comminity to help me when I need it. I started green as can be at $20, for one, and $16.50 for the other. Perhaps if you paid more, that person would put their phone down and be willing to learn. You get what you pay for.

Your points all fall short. Ludlow massacre? Women's rights? Institutionalized racism? I have just broke the poverty line for the first time in my life, I guess it's because I have always been a lazy slob welfare baby? Bullshit, I have had the same work ethic my whole life, and I'm working as hard as I did when I was a teen. Only difference is I got backed up to a wall when my son was born, and I had a lucky break from a awesome community. Aww damn there is that word again, communism, err community. Hit the books bro, my wife and son are mixed blood first nations from both sides of the southern boarder. Better yet, go pay your respects to Wounded Knee, tell that crap to the Lakota over on the pine ridge reservation. Look at a Navajo elder in the eye, and tell them it's their fault their water is so polluted. Really I dare you. I do take great offence if you believe for one g-damn minute that the playing field was level between the first nations, and whitey. I am dumbfounded people still spew this shit.

The issue is food stamps, welfare and other social programs have a cap that is just too low. Once your are making $50 more a month, your family looses $200 a month in food? Does this give you incentive to do better? When your fridge is low on food, and you have to miss meals so your family can eat which option would you choose? I've been there, you my friend obviously don't know how to survive. One rung up the latter, and you get beat down another few steps. This is crap. I suppose you advocate to remove veterans benefits too, as this is just socialistic commie shit, and the ruskies eat scalped babies. Take a third person objective look at the AmerKlan society, ooh look is the reds over there, no look its the Muslims, no it's the Mexicans. I say lets stop pointing fingers at everyone else, start owning our shit, and fixing it for the better. Lead by example.
 
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Yeah, but I hire my friends, peers, and comminity to help me when I need it. I started green as can be at $20, for one, and $16.50 for the other. Perhaps if you paid more, that person would put their phone down and be willing to learn. You get what you pay for.

Your points all fall short. Ludlow massacre? Women's rights? Institutionalized racism? I have just broke the poverty line for the first time in my life, I guess it's because I have always been a lazy slob welfare baby? Bullshit, I have had the same work ethic my whole life, and I'm working as hard as I did when I was a teen. Only difference is I got backed up to a wall when my son was born, and I had a lucky break from a awesome community. Aww damn there is that word again, communism, err community. Hit the books bro, my wife and son are mixed blood first nations from both sides of the southern boarder. Better yet, go pay your respects to Wounded Knee, tell that crap to the Lakota over on the pine ridge reservation. Look at a Navajo elder in the eye, and tell them it's their fault their water is so polluted. Really I dare you. I do take great offence if you believe for one g-damn minute that the playing field was level between the first nations, and whitey. I am dumbfounded people still spew this shit.

The issue is food stamps, welfare and other social programs have a cap that is just too low. Once your are making $50 more a month, your family looses $200 a month in food? Does this give you incentive to do better? When your fridge is low on food, and you have to miss meals so your family can eat which option would you choose? I've been there, you my friend obviously don't know how to survive. One rung up the latter, and you get beat down another few steps. This is crap. I suppose you advocate to remove veterans benefits too, as this is just socialistic commie shit, and the ruskies eat scalped babies. Take a third person objective look at the AmerKlan society, ooh look is the reds over there, no look its the Muslims, no it's the Mexicans. I say lets stop pointing fingers at everyone else, start owning our shit, and fixing it for the better. Lead by example.
You've gone in 1000 different directions at once. I cannot address them all in one sitting for obvious reasons. You say you've read all 16 pages, but certainly you have not read and investigated every source cited--that could not have been done in one evening. **When you do, possibly you'll untangle your other misconceptions.

Just to address one issue; women's rights:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-wage-gap-myth-that-wont-die-1443654408
 
Yup you got me, I didn't take the time to read and listen to any of the links. I'm not very interested either. In fact that link requires a subscription to read the article.

I know I am not going to change your mind, or your views. What is your objective with posting on this thread? Are you trying to get Bernie supporters to vote for your favorite candidate? You already obviously know so much more than any of us.

I didn't go in a 1000 directions in fact I can count only three main points that I made. Racism, gender in equality, and skewed definitions of political systems. Sorry make that 4 points, false history. Ever wonder why the majority of the world isn't too friendly towards American tourist?

Ever read any Noam Chomsky? How about People's history of the United States by Howard Zinn? Please read them cover to cover, and when you are done puking your guts out from how f'ed it all is we can talk. However I doubt you will take that time, as these books are simply just liberal communist propaganda.
 
In fact that link requires a subscription to read the article.
Thanks for the heads up--that link must not have translated well. Here is the article:

By
Sarah Ketterer
Sept. 30, 2015 7:06 p.m. ET

When it comes to economically foolish laws, California is second to none. A good example is the California Fair Pay Act, which Gov. Jerry Brown is expected to sign in coming days.

This bill, which the California senate unanimously passed in August, is a state version of the Paycheck Fairness Act that the U.S. Congress rejected in 2014. Like its national counterpart, it is an aggressive attempt to eradicate a wage gap between men and women that is allegedly due to discrimination in the workplace. But this wage gap is illusory, and the legislation will have unintended consequences, including for women.

The Fair Pay Act will prohibit employers from paying men and women different wages for “substantially similar work.” At first glance, this prohibition might appear reasonable: Government data for 2014 show that women in California earn, on average, 84 cents for every dollar earned by men. (Nationally, women earn about 79 cents for every dollar earned by men.)

But a closer look reveals a different picture. The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) notes that its analysis of wages by gender does “not control for many factors that can be significant in explaining earnings differences.”

What factors? Start with hours worked. Full-time employment is technically defined as more than 35 hours. This raises an obvious problem: A simple side-by-side comparison of all men and all women includes people who work 35 hours a week, and others who work 45. Men are significantly more likely than women to work longer hours, according to the BLS. And if we compare only people who work 40 hours a week, BLS data show that women then earn on average 90 cents for every dollar earned by men.

Career choice is another factor. Research in 2013 by Anthony Carnevale, a Georgetown University economist, shows that women flock to college majors that lead to lower-paying careers. Of the 10 lowest-paying majors—such as “drama and theater arts” and “counseling psychology”—only one, “theology and religious vocations,” is majority male.

Conversely, of the 10 highest-paying majors—including “mathematics and computer science” and “petroleum engineering”—only one, “pharmacy sciences and administration,” is majority female. Eight of the remaining nine are more than 70% male.

Other factors that account for earnings differences include marriage and children, both of which cause many women to leave the workforce for years. June O’Neill, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, concluded in a 2005 study that “there is no gender gap in wages among men and women with similar family roles.” Time magazine reported in 2010 that in 98% of America’s largest 150 cities, including my hometown of Los Angeles, single women under 30 actually earned, on average, 8% more than their male counterparts.

Ms. O’Neill and her husband concluded in their 2012 book, “The Declining Importance of Race and Gender in the Labor Market,” that once all these factors are taken into account, very little of the pay differential between men and women is due to actual discrimination, which is “unlikely to account for a differential of more than 5 percent but may not be present at all.”

What California’s Fair Pay Act will do, however, is make the state, already notorious for regulation and red tape, a more difficult place to do business. Companies must now ensure that every penny of wage differential between the men and women they employ is attributable to bona-fide differences in education, training, experience, quantity or quality of work, and so on. Referring to the countless factors at play, Harvard economist Claudia Goldin has said “it’s not checkable.” Yet even attempting to do so will only add to companies’ already substantial regulatory-compliance budgets.

Some of these factors—quality of work, for instance—are inevitably subjective, yet trial lawyers will swoop in to turn every conceivable pay difference into a lawsuit. Employers who cannot “prove” objectively that one employee’s work was better than another’s may face costly penalties. Many will surely pay to settle these lawsuits instead of taking them to court.

All of this money would be better spent by businesses to hire more workers or raise wages, including for countless women. Ms. Goldin has even suggested that women’s employment could decline.

Such are the unintended consequences that may accompany this feel-good but ultimately foolish law. As Gov. Brown prepares to sign the California Fair Pay Act, he should ask himself a simple question: Does he really want to put women at an actual disadvantage while attempting to eliminate an imagined one?

Ms. Ketterer is the co-founder and chief executive officer of Causeway Capital Management.
 
Ever read any Noam Chomsky?
Yea, Chompsky's actually reared his head in this thread before. I don't read Mein Kampf, The Communist Manifesto, Rules for Radicals, or any other rot.

Several years ago, I took an oath--"...to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;..."

Since the founding of this country, socialism/communism has been an enemy of the Constitution, and freedom loving people around the world. The problem is--now they are among us. Are you an enemy of the Constitution Evo? If so, the defenseless and the Constitution will have to be protected from you.

And by the way, just so you know, regardless of Zinn's lies, America is the safe haven the defenseless have traveled the globe to reach for 2 1/2 centuries. And they're still trying to get here by any means possible. They're building boats out of junk, held together with duct tape, to escape the bliss of Cuba. Swimming the snake infested Rio to rid themselves of the corruption taking place in Mexico. Signing on as answering services in India to get visas just for a chance to end up on American soil. And on, and on it goes. Sure--this is the most awful place in the world--everybody in the world wants to live here.

When your fridge is low on food, and you have to miss meals so your family can eat which option would you choose? I've been there, you my friend obviously don't know how to survive. One rung up the latter, and you get beat down another few steps.
You've made assumptions about me. Let me put it like this. Not everyone who is in a tight spot turns to the government for help.

Let me put it another way. Bernie's answer to the woes of mankind is more government. Is that your answer as well? Do you think those Indians you mentioned above would agree? Who lied to them? The American people? Nope--the government. So--is anything going to be improved by increasing its size? You mentioned that you, "had a lucky break from a awesome community". Not a government. Usually, it is other people who give the right kind of help when it's needed. The government comes in and botches things royally.

We need a government that will get out of the way and let the American people make the magic they're capable of. Bernie--increase of $10 trillion in his first term--more government jobs than civilian sector. You tell me--who's going to pay for that?
 
Yea, Chompsky's actually reared his head in this thread before. I don't read Mein Kampf, The Communist Manifesto, Rules for Radicals, or any other rot.

Several years ago, I took an oath--"...to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;..."

Since the founding of this country, socialism/communism has been an enemy of the Constitution, and freedom loving people around the world. The problem is--now they are among us. Are you an enemy of the Constitution Evo? If so, the defenseless and the Constitution will have to be protected from you.

And by the way, just so you know, regardless of Zinn's lies, America is the safe haven the defenseless have traveled the globe to reach for 2 1/2 centuries. And they're still trying to get here by any means possible. They're building boats out of junk, held together with duct tape, to escape the bliss of Cuba. Swimming the snake infested Rio to rid themselves of the corruption taking place in Mexico. Signing on as answering services in India to get visas just for a chance to end up on American soil. And on, and on it goes. Sure--this is the most awful place in the world--everybody in the world wants to live here.
https://chomsky.info/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Zinn

I am not sure about Chomsky, but Zinn has taken the same oath that you apparently have. Seriously pick up those authors, they are not communists, and they have nothing to do with the books you listed above. I will not pledge allegiance with this country, to this flag, or any other of that.

I am neither an allied to the constitution, nor an enemy. It's not that black and white, to some this makes me an enemy, and I am not dumb enough to tell you my personal views.

You see this is the circle, you say my sources are akin to Hitler, Communists rot, and what not. I say, prove it... Just read the damn books, listen to their lectures. They are professors, and well educated people. Are they infallible, no. What do you have to loose? Are you afraid that it will seep into your brain, and you will let the boogie man in.

What assumptions have I made?

Once more what is your objective?

Do you collect Veterans benefits? The US military is socialism modeled in the fullest. Free school, heath care, housing, and they even pay you. Why should the american people deserve any less?

Lets start a conversation, that is not about a larger gov, or a smaller gov. What I want is a BETTER gov. Why do we have to settle with half assed? Do you believe that corporate america will just magically self regulate? Should they be allowed to bring back cigarette adds targeting children?

I have not once said I am a Bernie supporter. I think a vote for Trump may actually bring around the revolution need, with some very dark days before hand though.
 
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And by the way, just so you know, regardless of Zinn's lies, America is the safe haven the defenseless have traveled the globe to reach for 2 1/2 centuries. And they're still trying to get here by any means possible. They're building boats out of junk, held together with duct tape, to escape the bliss of Cuba. Swimming the snake infested Rio to rid themselves of the corruption taking place in Mexico. Signing on as answering services in India to get visas just for a chance to end up on American soil. And on, and on it goes. Sure--this is the most awful place in the world--everybody in the world wants to live here.
at?

If you would actually read any of Zinn's work you would find that he doesn't make any of the claims that you say he lies about. Simply he paints a fuller picture of why people are immigrating to the US. Tell me one simple fact that Zinn has lied about. The guy was a history professor, I am sure if he was doctoring the truth he would have lost his job, and been discredited.
 
I don't think that would make you dumb. But, seriously, if you won't be honest, what sort of conversation can we have?
I am being honest, and this is irrelevant to the conversation. I rather not voice these views on over any digital device, or with any one other than my very close friends and family. You can trust me on that.
Now will you answer some of those questions?
 
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