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I'm constantly amazed at the lack of knowledge that abounds in this "information age." Have you been to Europe? Have you been to the Middle East? What I'm asking is: Do you have any perspective on the world around you? Or are you consuming more TV than oxygen?
We have a friend who is a Navy Chief. He took orders in London and he and his family were all looking forward to their stay, and initially hoping to get reassigned there. The country is so beautiful and they loved the house they rented. His wife told my wife, that after 3 years she couldn't wait to get back to the states. They have 3 small children and she was in fear for their life. She said the change they saw in the short time they were there was horrifying. Islam is growing in Europe, and it is changing the culture. While a majority may not be extremist, an overwhelming majority believes Sharia should be the law of the land. Take a close look at that law sometime and decide if you think they "want to destroy 'all who will not become Muslim' (or the other 3/4)".
Maybe you're Muslim--is Sharia a law system that you wish Americans to live under?
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123Craig
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Ha ha - thanks for reminding us of the point of this thread Treetop - apologies for contributing to it's derail.
Please allow me some time to get back to your posts BRT, thanks.
Please allow me some time to get back to your posts BRT, thanks.
123Craig
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Ok - one thing at a time;
My original post doubted putting faith in your level of due diligence in citing the Daily Mail as a credible source from a basic journalistic standpoint. I stand by that. I stand by my doubts about your level of due diligence as evidenced by citing such material. The Daily Mail article headline states 'Britain has 85 sharia courts...' then the first line of that article says 'At least 85 Islamic sharia courts are operating in Britain, a study claimed yesterday.' - The rest of that article fails to cite the name of that study. This is a basic journalistic mistake. How can we possibly verify for ourselves the veracity of that study? - Who paid for the study? - Who carried out the study? - The article starts out with big mistakes and continues in the same way; I could write an essay on the errors of that one article alone, though I don't want to... I would invite anyone to question anything the Daily Mail prints - it won't take you long to pull it apart.
The BBC article does not say 'Britain has 85 sharia courts...' - the BBC article says 'An estimated 85 Sharia councils could be operating in Britain, according to a 2009 report by the think tank Civitas.'
The Metro says 'According to a report carried out in 2009, there were around 85 sharia courts in the UK, but the number is likely to be higher now.'
I think you and I will both agree that all 3 of these articles are referring to the same study. Not disputing that. I will dispute the way in which a study such as this is presented.
123Craig
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The burden of proof absolutely falls to you;
'Do you mean islamic extremists? - Or do you actually believe that just under a quarter of the world's population want to destroy 'all who will not become Muslim' (or the other 3/4)?'
- Why can't you answer this question?
As I see it - you have stated that all Muslims want to destroy all who are not Muslims - that is a pretty hefty claim to make. You absolutely have to provide evidence to support such a claim.
In your above quote - you have cited a 'List of Islamist terrorist attacks'. I'm not disputing that. - What would you say to an article such as this then?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html
How can you claim that Muslim Terrorists even top all other non-muslim terrorists? - Never mind trying to claim that every Muslim is '...for destroying any and all who will not become Muslim...'?
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123Craig
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You failed to provide the facts you so profess to desire - you've just rambled on with more of your opinion completely ignoring my request for you to back up your own words with evidence.
I come from Europe. Have you been? - Have you spent time with the people there? - Can you tell me where you have been outside of the US? - Do you think that I should trust your opinion of Europe over mine? Do you think I should trust your opinion at all if you continually fail to provide facts to back it up?
I am not muslim - I have no desire to be. I'm not here to promote sharia law in any way. I'd like you to provide evidence to support your beliefs.
Oh boy, Craig....,,,I dunno if using a lawyer-turned-columnist/comedian (Dean Obeidallah) acting as a historian is gonna work out too well for you. In fact, I think you might want to call a different witness to the stand, 'cause the cross examination is gonna be detrimental to your case. That much I can promise you.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/dail...elieve-san-bernardino-shooter-supported-isis/
https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/never-stop-lying
http://www.mediaite.com/online/dail...elieve-san-bernardino-shooter-supported-isis/
https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/never-stop-lying
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Craig, Craig, Craig........... a person does not need to travel to the sun in order to feel it's warmth.
I have zero desire to visit Europe. In fact, I think I would prefer to stick a pin in my eyeball than travel there. Nonetheless, you had no say in the matter of your birthplace, so you're off the hook insofar as that particular unfortunate circumstance which befell you. Furthermore, you've since had the foresight to decamp to more golden shores, away from that wretched Islamist-infested continent.
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Dig a little deeper Craig:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/12/ny-times-non-muslim-extremists-more-lethal-than-jihadis
Look up Aurora, CO shooting:
"A prison source say the beard James Holmes sported in court last months represents his new-found faith. The source said Mr. Holmes has turned Muslim as a way of justifying his horrific crimes on July 20 which left 12 people dead and 58 people wounded, the Daily Mail reports"
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/21/aurora-theater-shooter-james-holmes-converts-islam/
Ever hear the Muslim community come out and denounce this behavior? Don't hold your breath! Now if he'd been, say a Baptist--Baptist churches all over the country would have loudly and longly declared that he was not carrying out the will of God.
But, in the Muslim community, 400,000,000 Muslims do believe that suicide bombers are carrying out the will of Allah. I guess you don't have to call that a majority (it's 25%) but, it's a much larger number than the US population.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01...ddle-east/pg-2014-07-01-islamic-extremism-10/
By the way--a much larger percentage believe in Sharia law. Know much about this law Craig? It ain't pretty!
"In 17 of the 23 countries where the question was asked, at least half of Muslims say sharia is the revealed word of God."
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/...ligion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
Not each individual. But the Religion, those who follow it religiously, and those who believe in Sharia--Yes. Understand: Sharia supports executing apostates. So, like all religions, it's goal is to convert the globe. After that conversion, if someone turns, or their family, they are to be executed.
Let's see, where have I been? Egypt, Jordan, Italy, France, Switzerland, Greece, Germany, Luxembourg, Spain, Yemen, Dubai, Spain, Portugal, Turkey; I'm sure I've missed a few--oh yea, and of course Canada and Mexico. Have I spent time with the people there? Umm....yep. They all wished they could get on our ship (like you did), and come to America.
Cross-bench peer Baroness Cox....said: "My Muslim friends tell me that in some communities with high polygamy and divorce rates, men may have up to 20 children each."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/614314/Sharia-law-courts-Britain-Islam-marriage
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Hmmm... psychoanalyze much?
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Well, I'm here for ya, little buddy.
Your signature quotes Teddy Roosevelt. Most liberals don't care much for history, so you probably wouldn't know how he felt about Muslims and the religion of Islam.
In 1917, the New York Bible Society had Theodore Roosevelt write a message which was inscribed in a pocket New Testament & Book of Psalms given to World War I soldiers: “The teachings of the New Testament are foreshadowed in Micah’s verse (Micah vi. 8): ‘What more does the Lord require of thee than to do justice, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?’ DO JUSTICE; and therefore fight valiantly against the armies of Germany and Turkey, for these nations in this crisis stand for the reign of Moloch and Beelzebub on this earth. LOVE MERCY; treat prisoners well, succor the wounded, treat every woman as if she was your sister, care for the little children, and be tender to the old and helpless. WALK HUMBLY; You will do so if you study the life and teachings of the Saviour. May the God of justice and mercy have you in His keeping. – (signed) Theodore Roosevelt.”
In his book “Fear God and Take Your Part,” 1916, Theodore Roosevelt wrote: “Christianity is not the creed of Asia and Africa at this moment solely because the seventh century Christians of Asia and Africa had trained themselves not to fight, whereas the Moslems were trained to fight. Christianity was saved in Europe solely because the peoples of Europe fought. If the peoples of Europe in the 7th and 8th centuries, and on up to and including the 17th century, had not possessed a military equality with, and gradually a growing superiority over the Mohammedans who invaded Europe, Europe would at this moment be Mohammedan and the Christian religion would be exterminated.”
A contemporary of Theodore Roosevelt was the English author G.K. Chesterton, who wrote of Western Christian civilization (“The Collected Works of G.K. Chesterton: Volume XX, Introduction and Notes” by James V. Schall, Ignatius Press): “They seem entirely to forget that long before the Crusaders had dreamed of riding to Jerusalem, the Moslems had almost ridden into Paris.”
Theodore Roosevelt continued in “Fear God and Take Your Part,” 1916: “Wherever the Mohammedans have had complete sway, wherever the Christians have been unable to resist them by the sword, Christianity has ultimately disappeared. From the hammer of Charles Martel to the sword of Jan Sobieski, Christianity owed its safety in Europe to the fact that it was able to show that it could and would fight as well as the Mohammedan aggressor.”
http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/even-teddy-roosevelt-warned-of-islamic-danger/
Treetopflyer
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Thanks for the laughs fellas!
Check this shit out!
Should be locked up.. Why not yet..hmmmmm!?
Check this shit out!
Should be locked up.. Why not yet..hmmmmm!?
Treetopflyer
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Man, I feel sorry for you Americans. Heh heh heh.
Up here in Canada, we elected us a rock star prime minister, whose background credentials for the job consisted of being a part-time drama teacher. And he is gonna save the planet, by uttering banalities and platitudes. With neatly coifed hair.
Up here in Canada, we elected us a rock star prime minister, whose background credentials for the job consisted of being a part-time drama teacher. And he is gonna save the planet, by uttering banalities and platitudes. With neatly coifed hair.
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