Fu*%face Von Clownstick

Arb23 said:
Covid much? You talking about the jobs recovered after the government shut everything down? Sure. Biden did that lol.
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You're predictable if nothing else bro. More Americans have died of covid under Biden's presidency than under Trumps. Despite this FACT the moron from Delaware somehow managed to pull Trumps economy out of the fucking ditch and gone on to create jobs at a historic rate. Why was Biden able to create jobs and get our economy moving forward during covid when Donny could little more than knowingly lie to us as we hemorrhaged jobs and our economy fell off the cliff?
 
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rico said:
You're predictable if nothing else bro. More Americans have died of covid under Biden's presidency than under Trumps. Despite this FACT the moron from Delaware somehow managed to pull Trumps economy out of the fucking ditch and gone on to create jobs at a historic rate. Why was Biden able to create jobs and get our economy moving forward during covid when Donny could little more than knowingly lie to us as we hemorrhaged jobs and our economy fell off the cliff?
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And yet, despite all this…..

thehill.com

Trump beats Biden by 6 points in 2024 matchup: poll

Former President Trump leads President Biden by six points in a 2024 presidential race hypothetical matchup in a new survey shared Friday with The Hill from Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll. The poll found…
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Bucknut said:
And yet, despite all this…..

thehill.com

Trump beats Biden by 6 points in 2024 matchup: poll

Former President Trump leads President Biden by six points in a 2024 presidential race hypothetical matchup in a new survey shared Friday with The Hill from Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll. The poll found…
thehill.com thehill.com
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You can find anything on the internet to fit your needs.
www.reuters.com

Biden maintains edge over Trump in 2024 US election -Reuters/Ipsos poll

But there are potential hazards ahead for Biden should the situation at the U.S. southern border worsen, the poll shows.
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Muggs said:
I find it preposterous to believe that everyone here has carefully researched these issues, talked to people who know more about them, and thought long and deeply about each and every topic, and then just "happened" to come to the exact same conclusions as every other member of their "team", whether they fancy themselves as members of the blue team, or members of the red team. The level of groupthink, ideological conformity, and virtue signaling in political discussions is mind-boggling to me. When you outsource your thinking to the newsmodels on television, you begin to speak in unison whenever certain "hot button" issues come up. You play into the hands of those who seek to divide and control us.

Here's a question for the group:

What is one major, politicized issue, that is popular to talk about in mainstream media, where you firmly disagree with your team's stance, that you would admit to in an open forum? If you like wearing a blue hat, what issue do you completely disagree with from their official position? Likewise if you prefer wearing a red hat, where do you completely disagree with them? Major things only, not minutiae. I appreciate the point of this post and find the question useful and worth ask
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Muggs said:
I find it preposterous to believe that everyone here has carefully researched these issues, talked to people who know more about them, and thought long and deeply about each and every topic, and then just "happened" to come to the exact same conclusions as every other member of their "team", whether they fancy themselves as members of the blue team, or members of the red team. The level of groupthink, ideological conformity, and virtue signaling in political discussions is mind-boggling to me. When you outsource your thinking to the newsmodels on television, you begin to speak in unison whenever certain "hot button" issues come up. You play into the hands of those who seek to divide and control us.

Here's a question for the group:

What is one major, politicized issue, that is popular to talk about in mainstream media, where you firmly disagree with your team's stance, that you would admit to in an open forum? If you like wearing a blue hat, what issue do you completely disagree with from their official position? Likewise if you prefer wearing a red hat, where do you completely disagree with them? Major things only, not minutiae.
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I appreciate the point of this post and also find the question useful and interesting. I have thought about it and will continue to think about it. I also have to point out that implying that you are a free thinker and that others are not is itself virtue signaling, which is a current popular term used by a group of people with similar opinions on things. We are all part of groups, we all virtue signal, and many of us also think freely about these issues, all at the same time. Your virtue is anti-government, anti-establishment, self-reliance. Everything is a reaction to something else. Again, I agree with your larger point @Muggs but nobody is truly immune to these group-think problems, it's more a matter of degrees. Opinions that are based on actual life experience with particular issues are the most valuable, those based on theoretical value systems created and then divided into a binary black and white set of choices are not very useful from my standpoint. Our political climate is very polarizing in the US. Happy Father's Day to all you men out there trying to do right by your children, wherever you land on these questions.
 
Njdelaney said:
We are all part of groups, we all virtue signal, and many of us also think freely about these issues, all at the same time. Your virtue is anti-government, anti-establishment, self-reliance.
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Guilty as charged. I believe that society functions despite government. I'm a recovering libertarian, equally opposed to the authoritarianism of the red hats as the authoritarianism of the blue hats. One reading of Frederic Bastiat's tiny book "The Law" was enough to undo 13 years of state imposed indoctrination.

Happy Father's day.
 
Huh...Can you believe it? A highly respected artist and former board member for the Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma was arrested for tax evasion and "will avoid prosecution on a felony charge of illegally possessing a firearm as a drug user, as long as he adheres to conditions set by prosecutors."

My only question is was he using the drugs and hookers before, while or after he was sitting on the board of a Ukrainian gas company.

Glad they are going easy on him, as he obviously needs help. #sad #burisma #babymomma #nothingtoseehere #51intelexperts #clownworld
 
Arb23 said:
Huh...Can you believe it? A highly respected artist and former board member for the Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma was arrested for tax evasion and "will avoid prosecution on a felony charge of illegally possessing a firearm as a drug user, as long as he adheres to conditions set by prosecutors."

My only question is was he using the drugs and hookers before, while or after he was sitting on the board of a Ukrainian gas company.

Glad they are going easy on him, as he obviously needs help. #sad #burisma #babymomma #nothingtoseehere #51intelexperts #clownworld
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He's being held accountable by our justice system. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
Tonight there's a prosecutor at the DOJ cleaning out his desk and 'retiring' due to 'health issues' and wanting to spend more time with family. Probably.
 
Arb23 said:
Tonight there's a prosecutor at the DOJ cleaning out his desk and 'retiring' due to 'health issues' and wanting to spend more time with family. Probably.
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The Trump-appointed prosecutor who brought the charges and accepted the plea deal?
 
Njdelaney said:
To be CLEAR, you wouldn't be "voting for gay marriage". You would be voting for the idea that you actually believe in freedom. You believe that someone who has different views than you has the right and the freedom to practice those views without persecution. You can be against gay marriage and still vote for it to be legal. So now that things are clear, would you vote for it to be legal even though you're against it?
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It appears that there is no appetite for such a logical argument as yours. They would rather fight about who's right or wrong than to identify with and support freedom and civil/human rights. Sad!
 
Njdelaney said:
To be CLEAR, you wouldn't be "voting for gay marriage". You would be voting for the idea that you actually believe in freedom. You believe that someone who has different views than you has the right and the freedom to practice those views without persecution. You can be against gay marriage and still vote for it to be legal. So now that things are clear, would you vote for it to be legal even though you're against it?
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This is the absolute heart of all these issues. This simplifies it to the minimum of words.
 
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