Yaw, Pitch & Roll

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Even a fit old man can do these things.


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still waiting for your bag o bones to show up here and get your free lesson....

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I love when things are priced at what they are worth.

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so what did you pay for that beater you using now? 2 bags of little dog crap? how can a guy who been in the game for 40+ years go and buy a sign crane? A frame rear outriggers and no front out rigger.

for someone who supposedly knows it all that is a complete joke. and only 22tons at that. you really hamstrung yourself with that buy.

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It is 25 ton with 105'main and 48'jib. I still sub bigger if we got a long pick over a house etc but We manage to get a few trees down with it. More than you get with your Yugo oledirtypanties. Weren't you gonna quit that co. a few weeks ago (again)? My Nati 990 look perty good at that point when you and your daddy split up? lol At 34 I had my own biz for 13 years. I own a 500k house and you still live over the garage in you mom's house.

As for all those nautical terms...what about fore and aft...port and starboard...poopdeck...head call? I wasn't in the Navy (squids are for kids) but I guess the Marine Corps is part of the Navy so I should learn the terms.

All these terms are good for the rookies but an experienced crane guy is gonna tell the op where to put the sheave and what to do with the piece on detachment. It is a little hard for me to tell where the sheave is when the loadline is between me and the op so I generally just hang the ball loose and the last movement is cable up. Then front to back you have the location of the sheave. Side location is easy.

If you got a real good tree op he is gonna protect you and property and improvise with evasive movement esp. with stuff pinned on or stuck in buildings and roofs (rooves?) when they pop out.
 
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dirty why take such issue with Jamin's idea? Wouldn't it be better if terms were more standard?

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why take issue? you see his latest post? totally out of line. sway or surge? cmon, dude.

over thinking it. kinda like that stupid red bar vermeer started putting on the newer chippers. for "safety". over thinking it waaaaaay too much.

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Yeah, to be honest, I have thought it whole thread was overthinking from the beginning, but it's thinking and that is fine...

Olddirty,(about the cover photo TCIA mag) setting a climbing line in two trees does not take much time (especially when the crane took me to the tie in points) and gives a nice peice of mind when climbing on a dead brittle tree with hollow at it's base. After cutting it down, it wasn't all that bad at the base; better safe than ..... dead though.
 
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23ton on up to 115. daily ride is a 38 ton. but it doesn't matter, it's all the same as far as pick'n is concerned. when you work at the edge of the chart you can only take what you can take and that is small picks from time to time.

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and only 22tons at that. you really hamstrung yourself with that buy.

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. More than you get with your Yugo oledirtypanties. Weren't you gonna quit that co. a few weeks ago (again)? My Nati 990 look perty good at that point when you and your daddy split up? lol At 34 I had my own biz for 13 years. I own a 500k house and you still live over the garage in you mom's house.


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you seem to have gotten some facts about me wrong old dawg. a few actually. prep school, 1 and a half yrs and graduated from a public school. wasn't going to quit my job was just trying to figure out a way to make more loot and i was wondering, out loud, if leaping into making my own money would be the right move but boss man took care of that. and when i asking about you and your set up it was kinda me offering to come out and show you how to really do crane work. you know what i mean? how to bang out tree work and make it look easy.

and i love 1 town over from ma dukes.
 

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.....sometimes I run 2 remotes and 2 cranes at once.....while I'm climbing and cutting :)

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CRAP!!!!! NOW I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET ANOTHER CRANE SO I CAN RUN TWO AT ONCE! Darn you to heck Mike!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcnFPxZyDz8How about a skidsteer and crane at the same time?
 
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...As for all those nautical terms...what about fore and aft...port and starboard...poopdeck...head call? I wasn't in the Navy (squids are for kids) but I guess the Marine Corps is part of the Navy so I should learn the terms.

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Wow. This thread got off track. But, this is worth addressing.

Really? Seriously?

I'm talking about an object in motion. Not the layout of a boat.

And more specifically, how to use universal terms to describe how an object can potentially move or to properly describe it's orientation after it moves. In our situation, it is a huge portion of a tree or an oddly shaped log.

These terms would also be great for teaching tree workers crane assisted tree removals.

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Jamin, this is a great thread and very interesting to me, especially with my engineering background and love of the maritime industry. I will be honest with you, I haven’t read through the whole thread yet, because I knew that it got off topic, but plan on going back through it all soon.

What I can tell you is that I first really thought about these terms years ago when reading through Gerry Beranek’s awesome Fundamentals book and reading how he relates the bar of our chainsaw with these terms (though he doesn’t use the nautical terms). He does a fantastic job of clearly making you visualize what is happening in these different planes.

I’m attending the Crane Workshop in MA this weekend and I’ll gladly bring this topic up for discussion.
 
We use all kinds of other nautical terms in our work, especially in our knot tying. The working end and bitter end, for example, are useful, time saving, non-relative terms that are easily taught and understood. Both have only 2 syllables. "The end that's in your hand. That's right, greenie"...has 10. I'm just playing but I do like that pitch, yaw and roll all have one syllable and that makes me think that the terms were introduced as time saving, non-relatives for good reason. It's always been very rewarding to share and cross-reference nautical terms to the industry. I like knowing I can call almost any one of you right now and know you could tell me how to tie any knot in your arsenal in non-relative terms. Most are understood to be nautical in origin but but we've been hunting, fishing, sewing and basket weaving a lot longer than sailing. Which is not to say that Onk taught Bonk to tie his muchlucks in nautical terms. Somewhere, somehow, a Gieco rep. is glaring.
 
Oh, this thread isn't about flying and cranes???

This 5,000 lb. (light for it's size, if it was not lava based it'd weigh 10K+) boulder was in the way of a new landing area I've been playing around at above my place. Since I had the crane home for some maintenance I ran up there and just moved the damn thing out of the way, handy having that capability in your personal life! It is now yard art in my front "yard", si I killed 2 birds.

What is pertinent about this is picking boulders before I have found it to be very tricky as to figuring which way it would roll etc. I got lucky with this one, first try it hung perfect.
 

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there should be a rule on here.If you dont own a crane,then you are not allowed to talk about someone who owns one.you are a employee...you dont own anything.its funny how some people on here have a lot of balls over a computer. if you really had a pair you would go out and start youre own company.try and pony up the money for your 115 ton crane and when you buy it,along with everything else you need,you can talk all the you want.let me know how it goes,until then shut the up.
 
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there should be a rule on here.If you dont own a crane,then you are not allowed to talk about someone who owns one.you are a employee...you dont own anything.its funny how some people on here have a lot of balls over a computer. if you really had a pair you would go out and start youre own company.try and pony up the money for your 115 ton crane and when you buy it,along with everything else you need,you can talk all the you want.let me know how it goes,until then shut the up.

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Random. But, awesome!
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Jamin, this is a great thread and very interesting to me, especially with my engineering background and love of the maritime industry...

...I’m attending the Crane Workshop in MA this weekend and I’ll gladly bring this topic up for discussion.

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I bet most will flat out laugh at my suggestion, if you bring it up at the crane workshop. But, the conversation should start somewhere.

I don't have a formal engineering background, but I do have a good grasp for physics and engineering. I also understand that yaw, pitch, and roll is understood within many different industries.
 
I also think the terms heave, sway and surge can be relevant.

For example, if the tip of the stick isn't perfect, it can cause the load to sway and surge.

If the load is pre-tensioned too much, or too little, it will cause heaving.


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I know people don't like my suggestions.

For those of you who understand my point... Thank you.
 
We like your suggestions, it leads to thinking; painful at times but necessary.


As for the notion that one must own something in order to speak on a topic is crap. If someone has experience that can be shared then speak up.
 
I'm going to the class once it's resheduled and I can't feature anyone laughing about the terms Jamin. They're all world class people and I know they'll give the nod when it comes up. Maybe I'll pipe up and when the class goes dead silent and blank faced...I'll say "JAMIN TOLD ME TO!"
 
Tree Humper,you misunderstood me.Or i was not clear on the point i was trying to make.let me try again...there is a certain someone on this thread that seems to enjoy belittleing people by comparing other peoples equipment to the equipment that the company he works for owns.and thats my point,hes an employee.it is not easy running a company,nevermind taking a huge financial risk like buying a crane.to make fun of another guys crane because its smaller when you dont own one period is B.S.
 
a crane is a crane no matter what..... if it helps from lowering stuff by hand or loading block into the back of a dump truck then its helping you make money.it does not matter if it a 13t,40t or a 100t. thats my 2 cents
 
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