Yaw, Pitch & Roll

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i am going to rate this tread as "really".

as in, is this thread "really" a thread at all.

wow.

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And you get the best grammar award. Thanks for contributing.
 
Looking at the load, i.e., the piece picked, with the boom behind it the terms can be boiled down to this:

Yaw; spins on the ball,

Pitch; rocks toward or away from the boom,

Roll; rocks to either side.

All create an increased load moment on the crane. These are all the things COs are trained to not do.
 
out of anyone in this thread, how many of you use a crane every day? daily, production crane usage. that is the question.

i get why you need them with the kboom (use a long enough sling and you won't but then if you did you'd be better off with a stick boom).
 
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i am going to rate this tread as "really".

as in, is this thread "really" a thread at all.

wow.

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And you get the best grammar award. Thanks for contributing.

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this is the type of thread someone who doesn't do crane work would post about and be joined in by others who do even less!


not only do i crane climb but i run one as well. if you were on my crew and approached me and asked me something along the lines of your hee and haw diagram i'd tell you to grab a rake cause obviously you were not prepared to be a main part of the crew. and it would be rake up duty for ya until you got good at it and then i'd move you up to unhooking the slings (where hopefully you'd get a better understanding of sling position and realize that spider sling usage is for novices) but the rake would still be your best friend....

but more than likely i wouldn't be able to stand you and it would be onto a different crew with ya if i couldn't get you to quit first.
 
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i am going to rate this tread as "really".

as in, is this thread "really" a thread at all.

wow.

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Buddy you need a hug
 
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out of anyone in this thread, how many of you use a crane every day? daily, production crane usage. that is the question.

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I don't own a crane, but we schedule a crane about 3-4 times per week. If I had not chased some other investments... I'd own my own right now.

I'm focusing on communication . I would bet that you guys have an effecient system of procedure and communication. I would bet that you guys use familiar terms to describe your work. Therefore, introducing different terms to the way you are doing things would be foreign. ---I totally understand your scepticism.

I'm just suggesting the ideal for universal terms for every one. Universal hand signals for crane operations is sort of on the same lines...

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And I'm not just saying yaw, pitch, and roll have to be the terms we use (although it would be wise). We can think of our own terms. As long as they commuinicate X,Y,Z axis movements.
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...this is the type of thread someone who doesn't do crane work would post about and be joined in by others who do even less!

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I'm sorry. You have me all figured out. You blew my cover. I'm just a wanna-be. I may as well stop tree work all together. I'll stop posting too.

Seriously. Do comments like that have to be made around here?
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Don't further empower the negative Jamin. It's a great thread and I for one have enjoyed following it...til now.

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I agree Kristen. That was my point. It's not easy taking an out right insult by way of childish name calling.

I'll take constructive criticism, in the form of suggestions or corrections.

But, insults aren't necessary.

Back to the regular programming.
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so what's up? you boys gonna tell each other the piece might yaw and roll and potentially pitch because you cant recognize balance point rigging with a sling or 2?

i like to use the term "cute", "humorous", or "funny" when i describe what will happen post cut or what i see pre sling'n.

sounds good for universal verbage, no?

and regarding universal hand signals for the crane, we already have a set for that but rarely if ever do i see them being used correctly in any of the tree vids i see.

what say you to that?
 
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so what's up? you boys gonna tell each other the piece might yaw and roll and potentially pitch because you cant recognize balance point rigging with a sling or 2?

i like to use the term "cute", "humorous", or "funny" when i describe what will happen post cut or what i see pre sling'n.

sounds good for universal verbage, no?

and regarding universal hand signals for the crane, we already have a set for that but rarely if ever do i see them being used correctly in any of the tree vids i see.

what say you to that?

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From when I first joined another site at the same time as you in 07 you were not doing ANY crane work for that whole year. From that, doing the math, you have about 3 years or less of crane experience (not incl winters off) in your self important narcissistic "crane climber" career. A mere puddle compared to an ocean in experience many have compared to you. Delusions of grandeur come to mind.

Yet you seem offended by anyone's attempts to improve on dialogue or procedure on the job that is tree assisted crane removals. I did my first crane job in 1971 and have owned 4 successive cranes and subbed or rented and ran cranes thousands of times prior to that. I still want to share knowledge and improve the methods with others.

This subject, identifying the potential movements of post detached tree picks with all 3 terms in the realm of possibility is very valid esp. in communicating with the op as to what he should expect for many reasons including evasive movements on his part for safety of the cutter.

You are not as stupid as you portray yourself so take a chill pill and join the discussion and stop being the laughing stock. How old are you anyway?
 
Oldirty, would you mind if i ask what model of crane you work with?

99.9% of the picks I make are done on 1 or 2 slings, but if you use smaller cranes then you usually hav to take smaller picks, making it hard to get 1 sling directly over the C of G.

"spider legs" or bridle slings are necessary sometimes however they are no replacement for knowing where the C of G is they are just another way to get the hook over it.
 
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From when I first joined another site at the same time as you in 07 you were not doing ANY crane work for that whole year. From that, doing the math, you have about 3 years or less of crane experience (not incl winters off) in your self important narcissistic "crane climber" career. A mere puddle compared to an ocean in experience many have compared to you. Delusions of grandeur come to mind.


I still want to share knowledge and improve the methods with others.


You are not as stupid as you portray yourself so take a chill pill and join the discussion and stop being the laughing stock. How old are you anyway?

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ok, dave. i'll say it again to you. just because you've been doing something for x amount of time does not mean you've been doing it right. just means the way you've done it worked well enough to be successful enough for you.

in regards to my tree game experience i started for one of the premiere crane assisted removal companies around this area. first crane guy in the area kind of company. from there i went to another respected removal company of similar stature on the other side of the river. from there i started going back wards equipment wise and then just straight rope climbing to the year i took off totally (except for the random side gig) then from there back into the fully automated companies. and now? not only am i putting wood on the ground at a rate that would stop your heart they got me running the fcking crane too. i know of what i speak and what makes sense and what is a colossal waste of effort. i see it. like a sick 6th tree sense. i am one with the tree as i end its life for monetary reasons. i've been around and seen some chit regarding the tree game. the only thing you got on me is age, old man. you may have more tree knowledge than i ( and i certainly hope you do, being in the game 40+ yrs) but i know you couldn't hang with me. in the tree or on the controls. how do i know? because i grew up in the game from the old timers. i know.

you started wearing a helmet, yet? i can't take any gruff from a grumpy old dawg without any ppe on.

now the game is saturated with stiffs using cranes and all of them scary. yes i pull over to watch others play. yes i get out of my truck and take pics and yes i drive off laughing.

dave, your last crane. 87fter right? 10 ton jammie? good for moving logs and firewood at most. glorified log truck more than a crane. like i said. just because you been doing it doesnt mean you been doing it right.

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In response to your post Jamin there definitely should be clear communication during crane removals just as any job we do. It usually seems clear enough to say "I expect the butt to drop" or "The pick is heavy on the left and will roll that way" or "The tips are hung up so it's going to spin as you pull it away."
 
It doesn't surprise me that you are amused watching novices do crane jobs given your personality Justin.

It does surprise me seeing you be disrespectful and even vile towards peers given you were a prep school lad.

And...just what is it you do that is better than veteran crane climbers Justin?

Is it the part where you suit up and the crane hauls your 6'6" 250 lb. body up in the canopy and set the chokes?


Or is it the part where you rapel down and wait for the nod from your boss, the op, and make the cut and wave bye bye.

Even a fit old man can do these things.

Is there something else I am missing that you do?
 
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In response to your post Jamin there definitely should be clear communication during crane removals just as any job we do. It usually seems clear enough to say "I expect the butt to drop" or "The pick is heavy on the left and will roll that way" or "The tips are hung up so it's going to spin as you pull it away."

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I agree with you Gord. And that's what's pretty much how it's done with me, and I'm sure, with any professional crew.

I guess it is fair to say I can sometimes stir things up with my ideas. And as most could see, I don't keep my ideas locked up. I like to communicate them.

Thank you for the constructive response.
 
I realized something last night man. North, South, East, West, pitch, yaw and roll are all non-relative terms...and all have one sylable. Left, right, spin and tip also have one sylable but are situationally relative. I know what you're thinking Jamin 'look who finally decided to join the party'... have a great day brah. Awsome thread and way to handle.
 
We move forward not by doing the same thing over and over but by seeking ways to improve on them.

Jamin', this is a good exercise in "lateral thinking" as Edward Di Bono described it. Just look at oldirty as the "black hat" thinker.
 
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