X-rigging rings

[JontreeHI]

When there are so many targets below, straight down rigging doesn't often solve the problem for me. Then I just have a branch suspended over a target, need tag lines etc. you'd be surprised, if you keep the pieces reasonable, what a groundy and a little "pop" in the line can manage free hand. He doesn't have to hold the piece all the way to the ground, just get it moving over the target. Especially with poor overhead rigging points

 

[southsoundtree]

May try that but the only anchor in the yard would demolish all the shrubs in the huge garden right below the tree that takes up half the yard

au contraire mon fraire...use a picket anchor. I used a 2.5 piece of fencing t-post, hammered in at a 45* angle in the middle of an open yard last week, two different times. We speedlined long cottonwood limbs between (mostly) two fence posts from 60' by having the anchor positioned properly.

Picket anchors have been discussed here before.

If in doubt, back up the first picket with another one or two.

Way easier than a floating anchor point.

 

[oceans]

I just made a new X-Ring splice. Anyone see any potential? This came out of the 4:1 Bend Ratio thread, and the thought was that the splice would be stronger since the throat exit angle is less than normal.
EDIT: Please see my post below (#730) for splicing diagram. This is NOT simply wrapped around the X-Ring. That would be bad.

 

[monkeylove]

Nice Eric, did you just just feed it back in to creste the loop and then ran it normally for the splice? Very interesting to say the least, nice job and concept.

 

[oceans]

Nice Eric, did you just just feed it back in to creste the loop and then ran it normally for the splice? Very interesting to say the least, nice job and concept.

Thanks. Basically you just wrap around the X-Ring 360 degrees and tuck into the eye, continuing the wrap in the same direction. Then you exit after 270 degrees and then form a straight bury.

Measuring by degrees is hard because the splice has to be formed loose, then drop the ring in and then work everything around snug and tight. When I first made it, the exit was too late and the legs looked funny going towards the throat. This is where I came up with degrees. I think roughly 270 makes for the right angle at the throat of the final straight bury.

 

[monkeylove]

That might be a way to string 2 or 3 of them together on the same cord. One line the deal with while getting the rope friendly radius that X preaches. Just an out of the box thought on your out of the box idea.

 

[oceans]

That might be a way to string 2 or 3 of them together on the same cord. One line the deal with while getting the rope friendly radius that X preaches. Just an out of the box thought on your out of the box idea.

Hmmmmmmm....

 

[theXman]

I just made a new X-Ring splice. Anyone see any potential? This came out of the 4:1 Bend Ratio thread, and the thought was that the splice would be stronger since the throat exit angle is less than normal.
View attachment 29969

Eric,
Don't know if I'm understanding it correctly.
Is it this?


Also, I do understand what you are saying about throat exit angle. But that has never been an area that would break in the testing machines though.

Interesting.

[Gotta love this new buzz; getting notified when someone adds to a thread I'm "watching"]

IF you are simply wrapping like my drawing above, can't the ring be shaken out? or is there never enough slack in the eye to ever do that?

That's cool if it can't be shaken out. Hope that is what you say.

I'll check back tomorrow night I hope.

IF they are secure, then you could maybe do a three ring in-line version, kinda a flexible version of my THT coming out. But unfortunately they might fold up on each other under load and diminish the friction, I'm not sure if they would or not. Plus they aren't matte finish like the new THT, plus are not as much aluminum to heat sink the heat away. But it might work! Just thinking out loud. Thanks.

Oh, on another topic, when I talked in the past about multiple rings for bend radius. It is likely more than that, I've brought it up a few times here and there when the topic comes up. It is also beneficial to rigging rope due to using a LONGER section of rigging rope when using multiple rings. DMM guy backed me up in 2012 at the expo when people were questioning 3 rings, verses two, verses one and arguing that it was all the same. DMM dude said, no, we found the same results in our cast thimble testing. Three of their little thimbles would not be the point of rope failure, but one or two thimbles was the location of rope failure in testing. And, it might not do much for "bend radius", but it is spreading it out over a longer section of rope. I personally do think three of the large (28x20) rings does improve bend radius some; you have to observe how they tweak in the break machine to understand. But using a "longer section" of rope is likely more beneficial and the main reason. My vocabulary and understanding exactly what bend radius meant was not that good. All I knew for sure was, three of the large 28x20 will never break the rigging rope. Two of the beast rings won't either.

 

[oceans]

David, your diagram is NOT what I did. There is a bury right around the ring. Here's a diagram that I hope explains it well enough.

 

[theXman]

Oh cool. Thought I saw a bury there but then didn't see it mentioned in description I thought.
Yes, very understandable now.

 

[Treetopflyer]

I just made a new X-Ring splice. Anyone see any potential? This came out of the 4:1 Bend Ratio thread

In angles of rope vectors that splice looks ideal. I'd like to see that splice go through a break test. Bet that would hold very strong..Very cool!

 

[theXman]

The negative I see is that it has to use small diameter rope. Half the size actually. So it defeats the purpose of making it stronger. Or am I not thinking clearly? Not much sleep lately.

 

[KevinS]

With the angles more tear drop shaped I'm sure that is a benefit but, by how much does it make it better?

 

[oceans]

The negative I see is that it has to use small diameter rope. Half the size actually. So it defeats the purpose of making it stronger. Or am I not thinking clearly? Not much sleep lately.

You are correct about the size. Maybe we need a slightly bigger X-Ring now. The Mega-Beast!

 

[JeffGu]

Personally, I think it's a thing of beauty. Nice job, Oceans.

 

[oceans]

Personally, I think it's a thing of beauty. Nice job, Oceans.

Well thanks, Jeff. Wondering about the whole overall strength though, based on the thinner cordage required to form it. X-Man has a point for sure.

 

[theXman]

So cool that you put it out here though and brainstormed in the open. Lots of advancement can come from that. It snowballs into something spectacular often times.

Good way to use a smaller cordage to it's maximum maybe.

Something really cool is probably going to come from this thought u started. Keep on thinking, good stuff.

The beast ring does well with fitting 1 inch cordage in the groove. BTW.

 

[Treetopflyer]

Well thanks, Jeff. Wondering about the whole overall strength though, based on the thinner cordage required to form it. X-Man has a point for sure.

What's the size cordage used in the pic oceans? I didn't even notice that it was Much thinner. Or that was Xl ring really . Just got googly eyes over the splice I suppose. Need my glasses while viewing via droid.

 

[oceans]

What's the size cordage used in the pic oceans? I didn't even notice that it was Much thinner. Or that was Xl ring really . Just got googly eyes over the splice I suppose. Need my glasses while viewing via droid.

It's 1/2" Tenex in a Beast Ring.

 

[Treetopflyer]

It's 1/2" Tenex in a Beast Ring.

So any cordage larger in that splice configure would exceed the lips of the ring y no muy beuno?Que pasa?