trees and spirits and stuff

I don’t know if trees have “spirits” but I do know they have a presence and age so maybe that is why people have an aversion to them. Idk. I will say I feel bad for removing a perfectly healthy tree for something stupid like an addition to a mansion.
I can’t say cutting them is bad karma or not but I find I go out of my way to mow around trees that sprout fresh in my lawn every year. And maybe planting the approximately 300 trees of varying species on my two properties helps win back some good karma. Maybe, but either way the trees will be nice for my great grand kids.
 
Mick Dempsey! said:
Karma doesn’t exist, it’s a concept like the tooth fairy.

I have no idea why some people just accept it as an immutable law of existence.
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I think karma is an extension of the golden rule in a way. Not so much as a law of existence but a law of inherent kindness that is uniquely human. Most would rather be kind than not and some, well, not so much and that’s where karma gets used. Like that southern saying here “bless your heart “ at face value it sounds pleasant but in reality it’s a dig on your intelligence.
 
Simard is a really inventive researcher, and we have a lot to thank for her trying some pretty extensive experiments to show that resources are, indeed, shared across species through fungal networks. She was going on a hunch and she was pretty spot on, as it turns out. It's hard to incorporate her findings into industry-wide practices - but the whole interconnected thing is, like, verifiable. Pretty cool :)

I have been starting to do some more active listening to trees. Over the years they've been easier and easier to 'read', from a forensic perspective, when assessing their attributes and making guesses as to their history and underlying health. (Looks like bears have been climbing up it... did a tree fall on this a few years ago? looks like water is rotting out the left side of the root flare, etc)...

But I've also been doing some independent research on trees over 50" DBH and trying to take some time to just sit with them and see what they have to say. There's actually some interesting things that have come up. Part of me feels like it is purely projection, and who knows, it probably is. But I'll tell you some of the messages trees have told me, just in the past few weeks.

One Sycamore downtown told me 'Eat well, and often.'

A Silver maple next to a busy road told me, 'Slow down.. plant your feet into the earth.'

A dying silver maple gave me an experience that was not quite words, but it gave me the most incredible euphoria of completely letting go of all attachments, and floating away. Nirvana, I suppose? It sent shocks through my whole body and I hope I can always remember that feeling. Or at least, I imagine it will be there for me when my number is called.

Another silver maple thought I was full of shit and didn't want to talk to me. That was the biggest diameter tree in town. Its assessment was reasonable.

A really, really strange white oak told me 'It doesn't take much to have a good time.' lol
 
Youse guys know Bjarne I'm sure, good cutter and seems like a good guy. But I just don't really know how he can be good with destroying virgin timber day after day. The routine wrecking is more than I could take.

To wit- here's a clip of some beautiful yet run of the mill terrain and trees. Most of his vids feature more spectacular trees being cut but that's my point- even these 'forgettable' spots are just gorgeous. Sure, on mostly level ground there will be regrowth (as opposed to the heavy erosion etc. on steep ground), but in the mean time it's destruct and destroy (as Marvin Hagler would say), bidness as usual
 
Stumpsprouts said:
Simard is a really inventive researcher, and we have a lot to thank for her trying some pretty extensive experiments to show that resources are, indeed, shared across species through fungal networks. She was going on a hunch and she was pretty spot on, as it turns out. It's hard to incorporate her findings into industry-wide practices - but the whole interconnected thing is, like, verifiable. Pretty cool :)

I have been starting to do some more active listening to trees. Over the years they've been easier and easier to 'read', from a forensic perspective, when assessing their attributes and making guesses as to their history and underlying health. (Looks like bears have been climbing up it... did a tree fall on this a few years ago? looks like water is rotting out the left side of the root flare, etc)...

But I've also been doing some independent research on trees over 50" DBH and trying to take some time to just sit with them and see what they have to say. There's actually some interesting things that have come up. Part of me feels like it is purely projection, and who knows, it probably is. But I'll tell you some of the messages trees have told me, just in the past few weeks.

One Sycamore downtown told me 'Eat well, and often.'

A Silver maple next to a busy road told me, 'Slow down.. plant your feet into the earth.'

A dying silver maple gave me an experience that was not quite words, but it gave me the most incredible euphoria of completely letting go of all attachments, and floating away. Nirvana, I suppose? It sent shocks through my whole body and I hope I can always remember that feeling. Or at least, I imagine it will be there for me when my number is called.

Another silver maple thought I was full of shit and didn't want to talk to me. That was the biggest diameter tree in town. Its assessment was reasonable.

A really, really strange white oak told me 'It doesn't take much to have a good time.' lol
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I love Simards work, but really dislike her delivery. Not saying that she’s wrong and she’s delivering it in a way many can wrap their grey matter around.

I guess it’s my chip on the shoulder with anthropomorphism, which is exactly what I feel is holding ‘us’ back from ‘nirvana’.

Typing this I’ve apparently bought about 3 tracked lifts
 
Stumpsprouts said:
Simard is a really inventive researcher, and we have a lot to thank for her trying some pretty extensive experiments to show that resources are, indeed, shared across species through fungal networks. She was going on a hunch and she was pretty spot on, as it turns out. It's hard to incorporate her findings into industry-wide practices - but the whole interconnected thing is, like, verifiable. Pretty cool :)

I have been starting to do some more active listening to trees. Over the years they've been easier and easier to 'read', from a forensic perspective, when assessing their attributes and making guesses as to their history and underlying health. (Looks like bears have been climbing up it... did a tree fall on this a few years ago? looks like water is rotting out the left side of the root flare, etc)...

But I've also been doing some independent research on trees over 50" DBH and trying to take some time to just sit with them and see what they have to say. There's actually some interesting things that have come up. Part of me feels like it is purely projection, and who knows, it probably is. But I'll tell you some of the messages trees have told me, just in the past few weeks.

One Sycamore downtown told me 'Eat well, and often.'

A Silver maple next to a busy road told me, 'Slow down.. plant your feet into the earth.'

A dying silver maple gave me an experience that was not quite words, but it gave me the most incredible euphoria of completely letting go of all attachments, and floating away. Nirvana, I suppose? It sent shocks through my whole body and I hope I can always remember that feeling. Or at least, I imagine it will be there for me when my number is called.

Another silver maple thought I was full of shit and didn't want to talk to me. That was the biggest diameter tree in town. Its assessment was reasonable.

A really, really strange white oak told me 'It doesn't take much to have a good time.' lol
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Fantastic post...
I've taken a number of workshops with Dr Jim Conroy , aka the tree whisperer.

What he says he learned from his spirit guides falls right in line with the teachings of Don Juan which I read in my early 20s, and other things I learned from native American teachers in my youth.

I accidentally had one conversation with a small plant when I was just joking around with a friend. I asked the plant if it was good to eat and heard a voice in my head say, clear as day saying, "yes. But only the little leaves"... turned out to be mustard garlic.

How do you think native cultures developed such amazing expertise in the use of medicinal plants. They didn't have the scientiofic method or all the wherewithall to do the research with trial and error. They wouold simply ask the plants what they could be used for. Anyone that thinks that these things are the stuff of childhood fantasies is stuck in the mindset of self importance. As if you know every thing there is to know... hahahhahahahahhahaha
 
Or maybe they had generational “wherewithal” of trial and error that was passed down from generation to generation. For example did you learn poison ivy will make you itch by touching it or did somebody older tell you to stay away from it because it will make you itch?
 
flushcut said:
Or maybe they had generational “wherewithal” of trial and error that was passed down from generation to generation. For example did you learn poison ivy will make you itch by touching it or did somebody older tell you to stay away from it because it will make you itch?
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Probably a combination of both. That a just a environmental ‘sense’ as their culture tends not the other themselves from the ecosystem.
 
flushcut said:
Or maybe they had generational “wherewithal” of trial and error that was passed down from generation to generation. For example did you learn poison ivy will make you itch by touching it or did somebody older tell you to stay away from it because it will make you itch?
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Would you believe the Nativecelders if they told you that they learned howcto use medical plants by simply asking the plants what they're good for?
 
Daniel said:
Would you believe the Nativecelders if they told you that they learned howcto use medical plants by simply asking the plants what they're good for?
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Only if they and I are on a peyote trip. Preferably in a sweat lodge with a spirit animal sitting in the corner waiting to take us on a journey when we start peaking.
 
Daniel said:
Would you believe the Nativecelders if they told you that they learned howcto use medical plants by simply asking the plants what they're good for?
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Interesting episode of The Telepathy Tapes (Season 2, Episode 6) about a young non-speaker (autistic, non-verbal) who, after learning how to communicate via letterboards, was giving family and friends medical advice based on plants she had never been exposed to or learned from in any books. And her recommendations mirrored those of the medicinal traditions in which those plants were found.
 
flushcut said:
Only if they and I are on a peyote trip. Preferably in a sweat lodge with a spirit animal sitting in the corner waiting to take us on a journey when we start peaking.
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sounds like a good time... have you read "Jorney To Ixland" by Carlos Castenaida ?

ps... I got kicked out of the local men's sweat lodge for being an anti-vaxxer... f 'em...
 
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