X-rigging rings
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SoftBankHawks
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Kevin, yes, of course, the adjustable section on a whoopie is valid for holding a ring secure, we rig like this all the time.
bonner1040
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SoftBankHawks
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Hi Bonner,
I'd consider the squeezed in 3/4" into the smaller ring, flip the block over and look at the diameter of the slings sheave, there is reason and good design in the new ISC blocks to deal with larger diameter slings compressing/hardening under big loads and popping the side plates. What do you think about the relationship with the smaller ring?
I'd consider the squeezed in 3/4" into the smaller ring, flip the block over and look at the diameter of the slings sheave, there is reason and good design in the new ISC blocks to deal with larger diameter slings compressing/hardening under big loads and popping the side plates. What do you think about the relationship with the smaller ring?
bonner1040
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SBH,
Good questions.
The first thing I look at is the diameter of the rope, 3/4". The second thing to consider is the size of the channel/groove, 20mm. Converting 3/4" to millimeters gives you 19.05.
A 19mm rope in a 20mm groove seems fine to me. I believe that, IF you could get the sling/rope to break at the bend radius of the groove (which we can't), that you would actually see higher results with the tighter groove than a looser one. Thought being that the tighter groove keeps the rope in a round shape which will retain the highest strength.
Lastly I reference our break test results which show no reason to worry.
Its a bomber piece of equipment!
Good questions.
The first thing I look at is the diameter of the rope, 3/4". The second thing to consider is the size of the channel/groove, 20mm. Converting 3/4" to millimeters gives you 19.05.
A 19mm rope in a 20mm groove seems fine to me. I believe that, IF you could get the sling/rope to break at the bend radius of the groove (which we can't), that you would actually see higher results with the tighter groove than a looser one. Thought being that the tighter groove keeps the rope in a round shape which will retain the highest strength.
Lastly I reference our break test results which show no reason to worry.
Its a bomber piece of equipment!
What are the thoughts on the tri rigging rings?
From the videos they seem that they are the new answer to top/negative rigging in the right scenario. I've seen most of the other configurations with the added rings with a whoopie redirect slings, etc.
How are the tri rings adjusted to limit shock loading to the system when the crotch is smaller then the sling?
How often do you choose the tri rings over traditional block and sling when either would do the job?
From the videos they seem that they are the new answer to top/negative rigging in the right scenario. I've seen most of the other configurations with the added rings with a whoopie redirect slings, etc.
How are the tri rings adjusted to limit shock loading to the system when the crotch is smaller then the sling?
How often do you choose the tri rings over traditional block and sling when either would do the job?
bonner1040
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I think the three ring is ridiculous, its not even retrievable. The two ring is WAY stronger, simpler, more durable, and just plain makes more sense. ABR Rig and Ring.
Merle Nelson
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OakWD5, welcome to the Buzz. My thoughts on the tri sling are that it is fantastic; it’s light enough and short enough that I frequently will just clip it on the back of my saddle and carry it with me through a whole tree that only has a hand full of limbs to be lowered/rigged. Done with it, just toss it out on a soft spot, something I would never do with a block. Have only had the tri ring be too long once or twice and I just wrapped the limb one time. I have wanted to have one made longer for the larger trunked trees I frequently deal with.
I am usually working more in the range of ‘lowering’ limbs and wood to modest rigging. I wish David still had a vid up called ‘Test to Destruction’ or some such, you wouldn’t believe the weights those triples can handle. When he finally got a bull rope to break it was because of going through an XRR with a singe ring (not recommended). Because of that vid and the fact that I don’t go near some of the weights I’ve seen in his work vids I always use the XRR’s instead of blocks unless it’s an application where rope will be running and causing friction for extended periods of time (more than tree height.)
I have been using the triple XRR for about a year, I have pulled it out by rope from a remote location at least 25 or 30 times now and had it stick to where I had to go back up only once that I can remember - on a tight crotch that I knew would probably stick. Every time I jerk it out and let it go sailing by me in a tree or land in a soft spot on the ground I think, “Saved climbing another 40 (or whatever) feet.
Have you read this whole thread? Lots of nuance and added info.. I’m waiting to see if Bonner’s thoughts about the two ring sling play out in life. The ABR Rig and Ring may be stronger - but what happens to the bull rope? (Bend radius queries were brought up at least two or three times in this thread.)
I am usually working more in the range of ‘lowering’ limbs and wood to modest rigging. I wish David still had a vid up called ‘Test to Destruction’ or some such, you wouldn’t believe the weights those triples can handle. When he finally got a bull rope to break it was because of going through an XRR with a singe ring (not recommended). Because of that vid and the fact that I don’t go near some of the weights I’ve seen in his work vids I always use the XRR’s instead of blocks unless it’s an application where rope will be running and causing friction for extended periods of time (more than tree height.)
I have been using the triple XRR for about a year, I have pulled it out by rope from a remote location at least 25 or 30 times now and had it stick to where I had to go back up only once that I can remember - on a tight crotch that I knew would probably stick. Every time I jerk it out and let it go sailing by me in a tree or land in a soft spot on the ground I think, “Saved climbing another 40 (or whatever) feet.
Have you read this whole thread? Lots of nuance and added info.. I’m waiting to see if Bonner’s thoughts about the two ring sling play out in life. The ABR Rig and Ring may be stronger - but what happens to the bull rope? (Bend radius queries were brought up at least two or three times in this thread.)
I think that the triple and the "rig and ring" are both excellent tools and I don't know why someone would think that one was ridiculous.
the triple is retrievable with an added light cheap D-ring or other junk ring. But you can use full rope size diameter if you don't need to retrieve it.
The width of the beast ring with the large ring will likely be a good enough bend radius for good size weights and I'm sure they tested it and an appropriate SWL put on the sling.
The beast ring is bigger, thus, could get caught in a crotch easier than the triple. But it should be an excellent sling in many crotch situations. The beast pulls out of many crotches, just test it in the crotch before you decide to leave it there if you know you need to retrieve later. This is the sling design I've suggested to many splicers that buy individual rings and want to make something for themselves.
This was my first XRR sling design I wanted to make originally, also a triple with one ring smaller, but was advised against it and that's all I'll say for now....
the triple is retrievable with an added light cheap D-ring or other junk ring. But you can use full rope size diameter if you don't need to retrieve it.
The width of the beast ring with the large ring will likely be a good enough bend radius for good size weights and I'm sure they tested it and an appropriate SWL put on the sling.
The beast ring is bigger, thus, could get caught in a crotch easier than the triple. But it should be an excellent sling in many crotch situations. The beast pulls out of many crotches, just test it in the crotch before you decide to leave it there if you know you need to retrieve later. This is the sling design I've suggested to many splicers that buy individual rings and want to make something for themselves.
This was my first XRR sling design I wanted to make originally, also a triple with one ring smaller, but was advised against it and that's all I'll say for now....
I have a climbing rr fs much smaller rings than the xrr and I have an xrr fs but regardless you should always inspect the crotch you want to use for any purpose. Using a crotch with out atleast some thought and inspection is reckless. Using a fs let's some tight crotches become useable but you will have to wrestle them out later. That's my 2 sense.
evo
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Mr X,
Have you tried your dead eye rings in a skidder application yet with the chipper winch?
Have you tried your dead eye rings in a skidder application yet with the chipper winch?
evo
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I haven't tried it... Say that your draging logs that were wrecked down and they are scattered around the drop zone. Take the winch line out to the furthest log, and choke it. You would have a handful of dead eye x rings on the winch line. Next take a x ring and tie to the next furthest log, and so on.. It's a way of bundling heavy stuff where you don't have to move the pieces into a pile.
Bixler
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anal ring huh???
Check out this vid by August Hunicke, america's tree hero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6b1vw2rKps
Check out this vid by August Hunicke, america's tree hero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6b1vw2rKps
treebing
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If there was ever a thing of beauty it is that triple splice. I love it. I guess what happened to me is that I never really rig beefy stuff too often. I did not cut that splice though, I am going to use that for something or nother. The rings get used in cow hitches now but Been thinking about this design that nick is showing and there is a lot to like. I am curious if there is any funny wearing over time. Definitely I think NiCk and David should team up on this one.
treebing
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One thing when people say the rope wrench doesn't work for them I know they were using it wrong. I most likely was using the tripl x rings wrong and did not recognize it to its full potential.
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Check out this vid by August Hunicke, america's tree hero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6b1vw2rKps
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I've never met August and only recently learned about him. He hasn't had the X-Rigging Ring slings long, but ALREADY did a video showing them and even titled it referring to the rings!
Wow, thanks August for spreading the word.
Check out this vid by August Hunicke, america's tree hero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6b1vw2rKps
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I've never met August and only recently learned about him. He hasn't had the X-Rigging Ring slings long, but ALREADY did a video showing them and even titled it referring to the rings!
Wow, thanks August for spreading the word.
