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What do you mean by 'shoulder line up'?


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Holly likes to shoot from the hip like any self respecting gunslinger.

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Sure nough,


"Shoulder line up" make bottom cut 1/3 into the tree gen area you want to drop it. You place the flat part of the trigger handle flat on your hip. Then place your left shoulder again the tree. Face forward where you want to drop the tree. Make your top cut you'll be just as on as aimming that black line.
 
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Ya, in a chatroom.

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Maybe this should be started on its on post.

I can't believe we are arguing about bore cuts.

We argue about some stupid stuff on here sometimes, but it just blows my mind that there are actually tree fellers out there that are against bore cutting.

I can't believe this...

Ridiculous.

no... I don't know, it's so ridiculous that I don't think I even want to join in this one....

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I started a new thread about this here:

http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=203627&an=0&page=0#203627
 
Sorry for contributing to derailing this important thread. Blair Morgan is a multiple X-game gold medalist, world champ snow cross, and can. motocross champ and aquantance of mine. He took a spill in training and landed wrong and is in the same condition as Pancake. Some parts of our body are very delicate and these unfortunate accidents are a good reminder to be that much more careful. Best wishes to you Pancake.
 
"Bore cut definitely has it's place."


Yo X , no disrespect , but I have seen more people butcher a tree with a "bore cut" than slice a tree down . "A hole" move ten times worse than one handing a chain saw . Useless cut and for rookies. Quote that ! Sharpen your saw and get your game on! That's all . Don't BORE me !
 
well motor cross has alot to do with treeclimbing . Thanks for nothing . In case you wanted to know , my 17 yr old daughter got dumped by her boyfriend . I hope she gets over it , I think he owned a motor cycle too. This world is soooo tough , last thing you'd want to happen is a tree fall on you and you wake up and the doctors said you cut it down . The first question you hear from a voice is." why did you cut a tree down on yourself? The doctor got no answer just like us . Am I boring you ?
 
Dear Riggs,



Isn't there a cute puppy nearby that you can punch in the face to teach it a life lesson?


Happy Thanksgiving buddy. Turkey tastes better when it's not bitter.


SZ
 
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well motor cross has alot to do with treeclimbing . Thanks for nothing . In case you wanted to know , my 17 yr old daughter got dumped by her boyfriend ..... Am I boring you ?

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Riggs, I don't know your from a dumb block of wood...nor boreality. But I do know that he made a sensible post that helps remind us that similar results from accidents happen across different disciplines. Per boreality, "Some parts of our body are very delicate and these unfortunate accidents are a good reminder to be that much more careful. Best wishes to you Pancake."

It seems to me that your post is the one that is irrelevant. Don't be hatin', man.

Thanks, Pancake, for sharing your experiences with us.
 
On another point I'd like to know way Pancake has had 2 major injuries in such a short period?????? Does this come from lack of training???? Triing to do more than one's ability allows?????? Complaint has nothing to do with this last one, I'd think he'd of been more on top his game just coming off one.
 
Keith,

Several years ago, I was removing a very large elm. While cutting a limb, a very large top fell out and nearly took my head off. Looking back, there are several things I could have done differently to prevent the near accident. But between trying to get the job done and assuming the cracked top was well attached, I didn't perceive myself in that much danger. I didn't get hurt due to chance. That's it. It sounds like you were on the other side of the coin (knowing that you are a much safer climber by far than I was back then).

I will continue to follow your progress..it sounds like you have much to be thankful for.
 
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well motor cross has alot to do with treeclimbing . Thanks for nothing . In case you wanted to know , my 17 yr old daughter got dumped by her boyfriend . I hope she gets over it , I think he owned a motor cycle too. This world is soooo tough , last thing you'd want to happen is a tree fall on you and you wake up and the doctors said you cut it down . The first question you hear from a voice is." why did you cut a tree down on yourself? The doctor got no answer just like us . Am I boring you ?

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Sounds like someone needs a hug.
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What I was getting at was Blair was the best, and wipped out huge many times, but a minor spill left him paralyzed. My message was even the best are not superhuman. I was trying to cheer up Pancake, what were you trying to do? Anyway this internet forum leaves alot of room for miscommunication. Riggs if we spent the day working together we'd probably appreciate each others skills and attitudes. Or maybe not. From reading Pancake's previous posts I was impressed by what he had to say.
 
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Dear Riggs,



Isn't there a cute puppy nearby that you can punch in the face to teach it a life lesson?


Happy Thanksgiving buddy. Turkey tastes better when it's not bitter.


SZ

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Dang Keith, that sucks. I remember having a conversation about this with you in May, your positive attitude then and now, speaks volumes about your integrity.

Good vibes from the Bean being sent your way.
 
Again thanks for the support. I knew I would open myself up for whatever when I posted this, and rightfully so. I was and am a practicioner of safe arboriculture, people who know me will testify to that. As far as details, the job was setup to go well, I just didn't put enough thought into what the potential dangers were. I also should have spent more time evaluating the tree, and consulted with my co workers, 2 brains are better than one. I never considered why the tree broke where it did before cutting, a decay colum was evident at the break post (accident), but it was hidden from the ground view. I never knew what was comming, just thought it would slowly fold over like all the others. Complacancy.

My family is so important to me, that puts my mind to rest that I was being safe. Hindsight being what it is, I knew it was very hazardous-why else would I have taken the time to dig out 3 escape paths in the snow. It truly was an incredible sight to see how this tree threaded its was through a multi lead tree that was 2 feet behind it to strike me at the end of my path.

Dan never sets us up to get hurt. We never feel rushed at a job and always had the right gear. It was bid well, we had plenty of help and did a thorough job breifing, and up to the point where I got hurt the job was proceding fine. I often question myself, was I overconfident in my abilities? After all, I'd felled numerous trees just like this for months after the ice storm. Even worse- was I lucky all those times? After a decade doing this work I felt like a competent arborist, dedicated to the industry. I still think the bore cut is a safe way to fall leaning trees.

I'll agree some academics, i.e. over educated, are extremely knowledgeable in their particular field and very daft at most everything else in life. I don't consider myself to be either over educated or cavalier. However in this instance I could have benefited from more knowledge and less confidence. The lesson I want to share is that experience can and often does breed complacency. And of course when you drop your guard, it is easier for something to hit you.

I'll be the first to admit that there are plenty of arborists out there with more experience,talent, and knowledge than have I. I don't want to make an issue of that. The more important fact is to be totally invested in the job at hand and use all of your resources before you idle that saw up.
 
The lesson I want to share is that experience can and often does breed complacency. And of course when you drop your guard, it is easier for something to hit you.



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Words to live by...
 
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The lesson I want to share is that experience can and often does breed complacency.


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Words to live by...

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I totally agree. I'd like to make that into a sticker for the cab of my truck...
 
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