New Base Tie-In-Point

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Hers is a deceivingly simple/complex system. I have been using for 2 years. Primarily for ascent. Some SRT-WP.

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Like stated above, I am not so concerned with rescue as with the ability to attach midline and add line to the system easily.

Hooks up fast, unhooks just as quick. Other benefits in shock load dissipation as well.

Tony

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Tony,

Thanks for putting a pic of of the same system we use. Just be careful the rig does not slap the tree. It has never happened to me after thousands of uses, but it may of happened to others. That Rig is heavy and can sag with the load of a very lightweight climber hanging off the other leg. I'm like beer and weigh in at 170, so it has never happened to me, but it's a potential hazard.
 
Wow, look what I started! I didn't think so many people would pay attention to this thread. First of all, thanks to all for your participation and thoughts. I have weighed them all. The point of my spar thread was that I'm tired of absailing on shi!!y frayed melted pull lines and I sure as heck aren't gonna let these yahoos pull trunks over with my Cougar line. If I'm chunking, I'm comfortable with a flip line. If I'm dropping more than my height, it's quicker to choke and repel but I just didn't want to put it that simply. I have been in pissing contests with threatening pm's in the past. Not interested. Have had my ability and my experience questioned, not interested. As evidenced by the 2 discussions, you see the work place I am in. It is not the quality of individuals that are here, so this is my tree porn learning center. I have noticed a few threads get pretty personal on here and that stuff makes my blood boil. Call it thin skin, who cares. What I will say is I appreciate everybody sharing. I like to tinker so I don't mind buying gear and playing around then throwing it in a box to gather dust. It's a stress reliever for me, you know spending money! HA I did a huge super complicated oak prune over the a house Friday. SRT new set up, awesome. I used the new base tie. It was pretty quick and I felt secure in the tree. Plus the trunk was so thick and the tree so tall I wouldn't have had enough rope to do a proper tie off without it. So it served it's purpose. Will I use it every time, probably not! Thanks for your input.

Reg,

Thanks brother. Heartfelt!
 
Oceans,

I do not know what is wrong with your dyslectic computer, but the pic is right side up on mine! I would reboot if I were you!

Mark,

Thanks for the warning. I too have never seen the devise slap against the side of the tree, but am aware that I may smack it with debris! I appreciate the warning and will look at hooking it up with your warning in mind.

Tony
 
Nick,

I do not disagree with you. You are free to do things any way you want. I guess I do become defensive when you list disadvantages of a system that are simply not a reality. I am in total agreement with you that many of the overly complicated systems being touted as good, are much less than good. Slow, fraught with potential problems and using way too much unnecessary gear. People weigh in all the time before they actually try a method out. I look at some of these pics and say WTF, why would you do that. I think I have said this before, but I will buy you a beer someday to make up for not being amicable. The buzz, just like the internet in general is full of useful information, but also contains an equal amount of useless misinformation.

Pax,

Mark
 
I started this thread because I want to find a simpler setup, but still provide emergency rescue capability. There are SO MANY different opinions here it scares me a bit.

Observations from this thread:

1- for every 10 people you ask the best way to set up a base tie-in point, there are at least 11 answers
2- there is a big split between people who think the TIP should or shouldn't include rescue capability
3- everyone is very sensitive on this web site.

-michael
 
If you really get into a pinch, take the tail of the climbers line wrap the trunk and tie a Blake's hitch to his anchor line (assuming he has enough tail on the ground)
 
Yesterday Jeremy redirected through two trees. He used up his 200 feet of line that had been periodically fed through the cinch on his base anchor by our groundie (who cannot be trusted to tie a bowline without supervision. He descended and came to the end of his line about 10 feet off the ground. We were able to release his cinch, let the rope all the way through the device and drop him into the snow. Because of so many redirects it was a slow drop in case you were worried. it is something that if he had just tied a running bowline would have not been possible. Does that count as a rescue?
 
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... Does that count as a rescue?

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No, but it is a good example of the poor planning that will one day lead to one.
 
I will say Jeremy's climbing was pretty extraordinary yesterday the way he ate up 200 feet if line through those too trees was beautiful. And when I say it was a slow drop I mean he needed help pulling his line out if the tree. It was a calculated maneuver. Everybody saw the situation with being 10 feet short and it was discussed. the end if his line was knotted a foot before the end. We knew there was a lot of friction in the redirects. In the planning there was some slight miscalculation and it did not turn out to be an issue because he was using an easily operatable lowering device. It would have been a complicated maneuver if he had only been using just a bowline, or he would have had to descend the second tree and traverse back over to the first tree which could would be more exposure. But instead it was not problem as well as fun.
 
I made our groundie sound bad. But in truth he can tie a bowline but I would much rather him operate the cinch and tie a backup knot than worry about him untying and tying a bowline especially a base tie. With a lowering device it's too easy to make adjustments and not have to disconnect anything.
 
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Yesterday Jeremy redirected through two trees. He used up his 200 feet of line that had been periodically fed through the cinch on his base anchor by our groundie (who cannot be trusted to tie a bowline without supervision. He descended and came to the end of his line about 10 feet off the ground. We were able to release his cinch, let the rope all the way through the device and drop him into the snow. Because of so many redirects it was a slow drop in case you were worried. it is something that if he had just tied a running bowline would have not been possible. Does that count as a rescue?

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It would be easy enough to attach and secure a second line above the bowline via friction hitch, then untie the bowline and use the second line to lower the climber. Wouldn't take minute. And yes, definitely sound like a rescue.
 
Untying a taught bowline isn't that easy I don't believe. Ill have to try it. With the butterflies as nick suggested, the prussic would also not be necessary.
 
Also, if he had used just a running bowline, he would have been 20 feet above the ground. Two ropes should have been employed.
 
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Untying a taught bowline isn't that easy I don't believe. Ill have to try it. With the butterflies as nick suggested, the prussic would also not be necessary.

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With two wraps before the bowline, it is easy....because its not that taught where it terminates, and more so depending on the extra friction gained through re-di crotches whichever or how many the climber has passed through in the tree. Even without extra base wraps the bowline would still undo easy enough by pulling down hard on the added second line, although an extra pair of hands may be needed.

I don't care that much either way and not at all how others spend their money.....but from my own perspective I would feel better for investing my money in an extra long line for such situations along with other options as opposed to spending it on all that decorative stuff at the bottom of the tree.
 
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