Grassroots for Bernie Sanders 2016

[treehumper]

Really? Canada... and it's still working on it.

 

[BRT]

Really? Canada... and it's still working on it.

??

 

[treehumper]

You guys want to hold the crowding out of the Indians and slavery against America...and that's fine. Both great examples of how America differs from other countries. Not in the fact that we made mistakes (I don't know of a country, or an individual for that matter, that hasn't made mistakes), but how we responded once confronted with the injustice of those mistakes.

This... Canada did deal with these issues. Oh and calling it "crowding out" is laughable.

Here's another quote for you, "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." Winston Churchill....

 

[BRT]

This... Canada did deal with these issues. Oh and calling it "crowding out" is laughable.

Here's another quote for you, "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." Winston Churchill....

He didn't mind us pulling his bacon out of the fire--and the rest of the Crown's subjects with him (Canada including)--now did he?

 

[BRT]

That would be Canadian Bacon

 

[treehumper]

Like he said, after all other options were exhausted, begrudgingly and it took Japan attacking Pearl Harbor...

 

[BRT]

This... Canada did deal with these issues. Oh and calling it "crowding out" is laughable.

Here's another quote for you, "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." Winston Churchill....

Here's some food for thought TH. Skip ahead to 8:45...

 

[treehumper]

Now we're gonna get into religion? Oh boy....

I was moved at a presentation by Neil deGrasse Tyson when so many young people, 12, 14, even 9 yrs old got up and asked questions. That gave me hope that we have a generation that is thinking about greater things than what the next cool toy or game is going to be.
That one needs some grand meaning to life or, that it only comes from believing in God and the earthly teachings of religion is missing the point. You have a life to live. It can be impactful to others and to yourself however, you've got it, use it.

 

[treehumper]

Too quickly....

 

[Treetopflyer]

Let's put the o back in cuntry

 

[easyphloem]

I can promise you one thing. If the liberals succeed in putting the financial burden of college and university tuition on the American taxpayer; there will absolutely be this result:

... Starts to look a lot more like communism than socialism. Freedoms get stepped on in the name of "public wellbeing." Most people who are for these social programs don't realize that it will ultimately remove the choices available to them. I am not okay with that. Give me the flaws and greed of free-market capitalism with its choices--keep the iron fist of government off my neck...

I, for one, stand with comrade Sanders. It's high time we showed the Ruskies how to do Communism right. The American way.

SZ

 

[BRT]

Now we're gonna get into religion? Oh boy....

I was moved at a presentation by Neil deGrasse Tyson when so many young people, 12, 14, even 9 yrs old got up and asked questions. That gave me hope that we have a generation that is thinking about greater things than what the next cool toy or game is going to be.
That one needs some grand meaning to life or, that it only comes from believing in God and the earthly teachings of religion is missing the point. You have a life to live. It can be impactful to others and to yourself however, you've got it, use it.

Wasn't trying to "get into religion." He talks about what's going on in China, Romania, India, and the changes he's seen in your beloved Canada. Additionally, he talks about the move of the west from Judeo-Christian values.

But, if you want to "get into religion"--this is a good 15 minutes:

 

[Treetopflyer]

Wasn't trying to "get into religion." He talks about what's going on in China, Romania, India, and the changes he's seen in your beloved Canada. Additionally, he talks about the move of the west from Judeo-Christian values.

But, if you want to "get into religion"--this is a good 15 minutes:

Hes trying to steer the conversation away from Bern Dog who hopefully puts that lair Hillharry away for good tonight.. How can anyone look at the pitches face and think she actually speaks a lick of truth. I'm not sure who the hell she paid off to get such a high vote in Iowa . Herd they're debating tonight, hope that's not poor info ..like over the Hillharry gives.. Roll her up and smoke her Bern DoGG!

 

[treehumper]

He's arguing from a biased view that only good had come from the Judeo-Christian basis. It's not that the values are wrong but their application throughout history. Instead of a return to these values we need a embrace the values without the trappings of the various dogmas that have come to warp these values to justify whatever means to personal ends. When Christians use their religion to justify discrimination and the subversion of their fellow humans then we're on the wrong track.

 

[BRT]

This... Canada did deal with these issues. Oh and calling it "crowding out" is laughable.

Here's another quote for you, "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." Winston Churchill....

He also said, "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

 

[BRT]

Like he said, after all other options were exhausted, begrudgingly and it took Japan attacking Pearl Harbor...

1. Would you rather have a country that is quick to war?
2. If you do--maybe Bernie should be your choice. Salon.com stated:

"Sanders has already stated that, if elected, he would continue President Obama’s drone killing program. He has an incestual relationship with defense contractors in Vermont, and he is an unblinking and unwavering supporter of Israel’s worst assaults on Palestinian people. Contrary to his rhetorical opposition to wars, he consistently voted to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan throughout the Bush and Obama years."

 

[BRT]

If you were to truly go back to the basics that "All men are created equal" then maybe you'd be on the right track. That has never been America....

I've asked this question before, but, somehow (sarcasm intentional), it never gets answered.

What is the model country that possesses the utopian ideas you ascribe to?

 

[BRT]

I guess for a lot of folks politics and religion bleed together quickly...

Levi,
I believe you've been lied to for quite some time. Consider, if only for a fleeting moment, that academia, Hollywood, network news, and current government policy, are all completely wrong. Not necessarily popular or unpopular--but wrong.

Obama says this is "not who we are."
1. It is who we were. It is how the greatest country in the history of mankind was founded.

Take a good look: http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=8755

2. Currently, it is who we still are:

--....a poll by the AP found that only 42 percent of Americans support same sex marriage. (July 21, 2015)
--Poll: 85 Percent of Americans Support Requiring a Balanced Federal Budget (March 22, 2013)
--Gallup Poll: 55% of Americans Want All or Most Abortions Made Illegal (May 29, 2015)
--Rasmussen--59% of Likely U.S. Voters consider reducing the cost of health care more important than making sure everyone has health insurance which is the goal of Obamacare.
--Some 54% of total respondents said they oppose taking in refugees, according to a new poll from the Washington Post and ABC News
--Gallup polling about blanket amnesty for illegal immigrants more generally finds the public widely unsympathetic to this proposal, with only 6% supporting it.

But remember. Even if public opinion is turned on these and/or other issues; right is still right, and wrong is still wrong. Truth stands. It comes into popularity and goes out of popularity. But truth doesn't move.

 

[cerviarborist]

I, for one, stand with comrade Sanders. It's high time we showed the Ruskies how to do Communism right. The American way.

SZ

As long as we do it in a virile and manly fashion.

 

[treehumper]

He also said, "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

You left out, "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings"
I for one don't presume that it's either or but necessary to find a balance between the two.

The Bern's voting record, https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/47/military-personnel#.VrO8WBgrK-u

Umm here's a bit about his quick to war attitude....http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09/01/sanders-drones-foreign-policy.html

As for my utopian dream country.... Take your pick of any of those out ranking the US.
Rank Country Score Category
1

Norway 9.93 Full democracy
2

Sweden 9.73 Full democracy
3

Iceland 9.58 Full democracy
4

New Zealand 9.26 Full democracy
5

Denmark 9.11 Full democracy
6

Switzerland 9.09 Full democracy
7

Canada 9.08 Full democracy
8

Finland 9.03 Full democracy
9

Australia 9.01 Full democracy
10

Netherlands 8.92 Full democracy
11

Luxembourg 8.88 Full democracy
12

Ireland 8.72 Full democracy
13

Germany 8.64 Full democracy
14

Austria 8.54 Full democracy
15

Malta 8.39 Full democracy
16

United Kingdom 8.31 Full democracy
=17

Uruguay 8.17 Full democracy
=17

Mauritius 8.17 Full democracy
19

United States 8.11 Full democracy
20

Japan 8.08 Full democracy



And that's not to say they are perfect and without issues. They are dealing with the ongoing issues of a world still in turmoil.

Just enough with the gosh darned greatness of this country. It is an experiment in democracy still. It is struggling, like others to achieve this but it hasn't yet met it's own ideal, "that all men are created equal".
The first step in overcoming a problem is recognizing that you've got one.