F8 revolver

Re: F8 revolver w/video

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I tried this the other day. I had to take a wrap off my VT, but it worked well. I wasn't able to tend slack unless I took the F8 off. Has potential... if i could get over my love affair with my ddrt.

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no need to stop the affair
you can have 2 girlfriends at the same time silly
Just dont tell your wife
 
Re: F8 revolver w/video

The more I use the F8 the more I am completly and totally in love with it !!! My biggest problem so far has been slightly overshooting swings since the hitch is running so much smoother than before.....well that and the aching tendons in my knee due to the increased use of the pantin to ascend single line. (for the record I have never, ever used a pantin to ascend til now so I'm sure my tendons just hurt because I haven't used those muscles too much)
 
Re: F8 revolver w/video

Okay. I've farted around some more, but I don't like the ascent at all. It really sucks. I can see were it is tempting to simply grab above the gear and overhand pull my self up the rope. ---And that is too compromising. If I continued that, I'd take a whipper some time.
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Can some one please find better ways to ascend with this jobber?
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Re: F8 revolver w/video

jamin, that is exactly what i do. i grab above the gear and create a little slack at the rig in order to tend. I use a combination of the rope and the tree.

I believe that is my style of climbing though. In dDRT I always do that too. I would grip the double ropes in my hand and use it as a hand rail as I move around the tree. My rule is to not let the slack get to my knees. (I think that is when they will warn you in a comp too.) In DDRT it sucks because you cant hold both ropes and tend which makes it you have to let go of the rope and thus your hand hold in order to tend.

I realize with this the f8 I climb the tree more and use the rope as basically a hand rail. I stand on the limbs more. I have different moves to acend now than in dDRT. I climb a little and then tend the rope.

Your right though, it is only a matter of time now before this concept is perfected by me or by someone. I can see clearly in my head how it would look and work.
 
Re: F8 revolver w/video

i guess thats what I like so much about the f8 revolver. There never was a drawing board to begin with. the pieces were on my harness months before I started using them in this combination. It just came along into my climbing one day and basically eliminated Ddrt from my life. I didnt have to invent or design anything.

I now find myself frustrated and annoyed tending all the rope in Ddrt and long for a single line if for some reason i end up climbing ddrt.

So now we can go to the drawing board to perfect it. The concept is there. take heat off the hitch by creating a bend in the rope. simple.

So its to the drawing board to design a better fate revolver. Thats going to be a minute I think. The uni is the other option and Im intrigued but wont pay that much for something unless I can use it for a day or two.
 
sounds interesting might be worth a try. think I would like to see a demonstration first I'm not convinced it's as efficient as yall make it sound I hope to be seeing Rich H soon maybe I can get him to show me.
 
I think you'd like it, Mike!


How you been? I missed you in Shreveport, that was a long drive. I hope things are turned around for you since the last time I saw you!

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just wanted to report that even though I was not able to compete in this years ITCC because of a little brain fart on my part...

The F8 revolver was approved for use in the ITCC by the head judges.

I apologize to all of those waiting to watch it in action. Its a hard road back there but Ill try.


Rich H did use his similar ring in pulley set up while working the Masters tree so the concept of working the tree SRT was at least presented.
 
Heard about your system passing Bing, Congrats on that. Really glad they approved it. Sorry to hear about your "fart." Wish i could have found you sat and see a little demo in person. Hopefully i'll run into you soon. Any chance of being at the Warren Wilson Comp?
 
So... It's been mentioned earlier in this thread, the possibility of putting the friction or brake beneath the climbing hitch. I'm sure others have toyed around with this idea but I think that this really has some merit.
It allows me to ascend my single rope without the brake applied, using my foot ascender and hitch or my pantin/second ascender and bungee/hitch combo and then install the brake (Revolver and large aluminum ring tied together with short leash so i don't drop the Al ring)at any point, no need to lanyard in. Since I am applying the brake beneath the hitch I can do so without first creating some slack in my system.

I climb with a rope bridge on my harness and a pulley attached permanently to it. I clip my hitch carabiner into this pulley, very easy twisting while limbwalking and reaching for that little deadwood at the end of the limb. When I'm ready to descend or limbwalk I instal the brake beneath my hitch, with the revolver attached directly to my rope bridge on my harness. The difference in position between the pulley (for the hitch) and the rope bridge (slightly lower than the pulley, for the brake) allows the space for the brake operate smoothly.

Returning from a limbwalk seems easier to me as it's a one step motion, the brake and the hitch both tend at the same time with one hand, surprisingly smooth.

When I'm ready to ascend again, if I have not planned my climb correctly, as has been mentioned, I can take out the brake, just by unclipping the revolver from the Al ring and because it's on a lease I cannot drop it! This is very handy.

It's not re-inventing the wheel, but it's just something I've found to be useful, if only for the fact that the brake can be installed without havig to first lanyard in, or at the very least find a branch to stand on in order to create a little slack in the system.

Just a note on friction hitches, if you have not yet used the Michoacan, spelling, do it, do it! Put an extra wrap on it for single rope, or not if you're a light-weight, you can use it with short legs, but you'll find that it grips the host line positively and with very little 'sit-back', which is all good for SRT, I think.

Oh, and thanks to you Treebing for your clever work with this, but also for sharing it with us all, this is one of the most exciting, thought-provoking threads on here, in my opinion.

Thanks, Russell.
 
I have been toying with this as well and I do like it but the transition from ascent to descent could be smoother. I think the more people that start using single rope work positioning system the better they will get.... the more minds the better. So lets all put our heads together and work out the bugs
 
I've played with this a little and I'm using a larger cambium saver ring instead of a figure eight. I only have one beef with it though...after tending the rope on the way back into the trunk from a limb walk when I weight the friction hitch the topmost coil often gets pinched by the cambium saver ring and revolver. This is obviously solved with a little bit of adjustment, but I guess I'm trying to figure out a way to keep this from happening without the fiddling. It feels like wasted movement to me. Is it possibly the size or shape of the ring used in combo with the revolver?
Ok, I guess I have one more problem which seems to be exacerbated by the SRT system. Sap. Granted sap on the climbing line always slows you down some, but I noticed a pronounced difference in the binding with the SRT system. Could this be solved with a different friction knot? What are people using below the revolver? I just use a 6 wrap french prussik. That is to say, just six wraps around the rope. Looks like a VT when weighted. I'm not sure if my nomenclature is correct.
 
I'm working on a video now that will show some different configurations that I have used. Some I like some I don't. I would like others to do the same and mabey if enough people get together on this we can come up with a single rope work positioning system that is cost effective and not to gear intensive. The areas that need work IMO are the prusik binding in F8, returnig from a delicate lime walk, and too much friction tranferd to the hitch causing it to bind. So break out those video cameras and let's get to work.
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Finally did some serious playing around with this system and wow, it's amazing!! I'm still working some stuff out, like limb walking, but other than that, it's a great system. I took some pics that I'll post in a few.

Back to limb walking with this system though. Going out on the limb was ok, but it was the return that got a bit tricky. I found it harder to keep my weight in the line. In Ddrt, you pull the running end and you keep your weight on the standing part attached to your saddle. With this SRT system, it doesn't have the same effect. You really have to tend that knot to keep your weight in the line.

Anyone have any tricks or tips to make returning easier??
 
Try setting up a quick 2 to 1 with your tail.Either tie an alpine butterfly with a revolver,biner or pulley or just attach it with a small prussik loop or eye an eye -knot of your choice. run your tail thru the pulley,biner or revolver.also take the figure 8 and revolver off and place the 2 to 1 in the same area.Make sure you bring the tail(After its thru the 2 to 1) with you or youll have a hard time getting back up.
 
Thanks Jimmy. Wanted to pass along a thanks to RichH also. I talked to him yesterday about the limb walk situation, and he described much the same thing you're talking about Jimmy, expect using a hand ascender and a biner installed above the revolver/figure 8. I gave it a try inside on a simulated limb walk and it worked well. Waiting for the weekend to roll around so I can give it a try in the tree. I'll try and get some pics during the weekend.
 
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hand ascender and a biner installed above the revolver/figure 8.

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LMAO, thats a good one. I just got blasted for using that in the SRT with Piranha.

Heh you wait Rich the tree police will be on to you.
 
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