F8 revolver

Actually, there is a diff holly. They are using it above the 8/revolver, but keeping it on. The difference is that if the ascender failed it hits the 8/revolver first, this causes the hitch to "jam." I've looked at this set up a couple of times. Everytime i "test" a failure my hitch would jam.

Nothing is proven or official, simply what i have found.
 
The ascender in this situation is not being used to work off of but merely used as a redirect to assist with working back in from a limb walk with the F8. Your hitch, F8, and all necessary components to work safely are still on the line. The ascender is used simply because it attaches to the line much easier than tying a hitch. If you ascended single line chances are you already have the ascender with you and I am a huge fan of using one piece of hardware for multiple uses. The stress on the ascender is negligible and if for some reason it did fail....The f8 would stop the ascender from ever reaching your hitch.
 
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to assist with working back in from a limb walk, The f8 would stop the ascender from ever reaching your hitch

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Got ya, thats all I used mine for was to walk back not work off of it.

Now second part, I going to play my fav roll. If the cender fails it could slide down forcing the f8 down. Since in all fairness the f8 aint even self locking. Then fall onto the hitch no??
 
couldn't happen. body weight, coupled with the line woven through the eight, being static at the anchor, at best would just bind up. right? in theory? I'll see if I can create the scenario tomorrow.
 
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Yes thats what i was trying to say. The 8 when hitting the hitch just binds everything up!

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Right let us not forget the biner is side loaded andcould break at anytime though then force a free fall in theory?

But uuummmmm what ever you experts say.
 
And I loved every min of it. Eles I'd not tried a diff way to go at it. Can't wait to get some other gear from mail and post yet a few more ways to look at it
 
Had the great pleasure of watching countryboyPA rocking the F8 revolver in the Warren Wilson work climb and the AR.
turns out he was using an ISC gecko carabiner which apparantly works just as well as the revolver.

In the Michigan comp I competed against Jay Butcher who was also flying the f8 revolver. Real cool hearing their ideas and stories of working the trees SRT.
 
It was really great meeting the "creator" of the system. Learned a lot from watching him in both AR and work climb. Thanks for answering my thousands of questions. Good job at the comp too.

Ohh and i kept telling you the wrong carbiner, its the ISC Gator. Smallest of the three. Sorry for confusing you.

Can't wait for work to keep improving on it.
 
Jesse, Stacy, and I gave this system a full go around today. Jesse took an immediate liking to it, after trying it out. Stacy also enjoyed it, and he could envision using it on some climbs.

Only thing we really have to work on is the ascent method. We were in debate about the hand ascender being above the climbing hitch in say the tree frog configuration. Anyone have any insight on this issue??
 
I guess I dont really see what the worry of the acender above the hitch is. when you are using an acender you are holding it in your hand right? I dont see the scenario where it would come sliding down the rope and into your hitch unless your arm and hand was also somehow disabled.

I use the rope walker system with my climbing hitch as chest acender held up with my lanyard slung over my shoulder. I use the acent tree with a long foot loop attached to it. I have a pantin. I normally do not even attach myself to the acender because I find it to be a pain. I do not mind being attached to the climbing line with only my prussic.
I footlocked double rope for years and so I am used to it.

a lot of the time, I ascend the rope footlocking or with just the pantin with my hitch on my saddle in normal position.

For longer runs I will extend my bridge (like in the video). But for shorter runs the hitch kept at my saddle is very efficient. I take a lock, sit back on my hitch, take another lock, sit back on my hitch, I only use my arms to move the hitch up as I go. the pantin is a little more tiring because you are doing it all on one leg, its also another piece of gear you have to haul around.
 
Used this at work today for the first time and really liked it. I worked a couple big Oaks and a Yellow Poplar and never switched to double rope. Everything was fairly smooth, I am sure as I continue to use and refine it will only get better. I have been using a Black Diamond 8, petzl ball lock biner, and dynema sling as a tether and it seems to work well for me. I do need to splice a tether to replace the dynema sling. This is definitely going to become a regular part of how I climb trees.

My understanding of the problem with the ascender above the hitch is if the cam failed and it slid down the rope it could potentially push your friction hitch down with it.
 
no I hardly ever use the ascenders at all. mostly I just footlock or climb the tree. when I have to go more than 40 feet maybe Ill break out the ascenders
 
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