treebing
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F8 revolver
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treebing
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treebing
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treebing
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when doing straight on rope acent. easily converted to fottlock. when working the tree, the F8 revolver stays on while normal tree climbing procedures, limb walking etc.
I prefer the thicker rope such as poison ivy or 16 strand as it is easier to grip than the skinnier stuff.
I have been playing around with this for a bit. It really has been fun climbing srt.
I prefer the thicker rope such as poison ivy or 16 strand as it is easier to grip than the skinnier stuff.
I have been playing around with this for a bit. It really has been fun climbing srt.
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treebing
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I wrote a lot about in the trango cinch thread in rant and rave. pictures say it all though.
treebing
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I normally have two biners on my hitch climber so I can switch from work mode to footlocking mode without uncliping
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Next time you come down south I'd like to see that in action. I'm having a little trouble totally imagining it, but it does sound like a cool set up to play around with.
Sweet idea.
Sweet idea.
treebing
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note: a normal carabiner works as well, it just isnt as easy to slide it up the rope when returning from a limb walk or climbing the tree. It is easier on your friction hitch during a descent though.
This little discovery has opened up a whole nother world of tree climbing to me. there is obviously lots of room for tinkering, size of ring, length of tether, type of friction hitch etc. I recomend everyone trying out the F8 revolver. its fun at least. Would it be legal in a competition you think?
This little discovery has opened up a whole nother world of tree climbing to me. there is obviously lots of room for tinkering, size of ring, length of tether, type of friction hitch etc. I recomend everyone trying out the F8 revolver. its fun at least. Would it be legal in a competition you think?
treebing
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your not climbing dDrt. your climbing SRT only. up and down. although you can rapidly convert to Ddrt when you want to.
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What do you do with the 8 and revolver when you footlock?
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the F8 revolver stays on while normal tree climbing procedures, limb walking etc.
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I assume it just stays on the rope, it would/should just slide right up?
the F8 revolver stays on while normal tree climbing procedures, limb walking etc.
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I assume it just stays on the rope, it would/should just slide right up?
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Very clever solution!
It looks like you've found a way to add just a little bit more friction into the descent. From what I'm thinking you can vary the friction too and have smooth control.
It looks like you've found a way to add just a little bit more friction into the descent. From what I'm thinking you can vary the friction too and have smooth control.
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I can't wait to see that setup in person.
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treebing
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jus clip em to my harness. The F8 revolver can be popped on and off very fast.
it only needs to be taken off when climbing up on rope only. I take it off also if I know I am going to be going UP for a while. this doesnt happen to often if I map out my climb well.
when your just climbing the tree or returning from a limb walk, you slide the F8 revolver up the rope which can be done one handed. the friction hitch being on Srt pretty much tends itself with a lil help from the other hand. on descent, the F8 revolver rides above the friction hitch taking the heat off and allowing you to fly.
it only needs to be taken off when climbing up on rope only. I take it off also if I know I am going to be going UP for a while. this doesnt happen to often if I map out my climb well.
when your just climbing the tree or returning from a limb walk, you slide the F8 revolver up the rope which can be done one handed. the friction hitch being on Srt pretty much tends itself with a lil help from the other hand. on descent, the F8 revolver rides above the friction hitch taking the heat off and allowing you to fly.
Ok I get it now. You edited your posts to make it more clear that this setup is used in SRT to apply additional friction above the hitch. So you basically work SRT all the time?
I agree clever solution, but for the life of me I cannot see how working SRT is easier than Ddrt. Its obviously more complex. To me the beauty of Ddrt is when say returning from a limbwalk, you apply downward pressure to the running end of your line.
You mention removing the f8 revolver from time to time while aloft. Does this mean you are only secured to the static line via the hitch cord?
I agree clever solution, but for the life of me I cannot see how working SRT is easier than Ddrt. Its obviously more complex. To me the beauty of Ddrt is when say returning from a limbwalk, you apply downward pressure to the running end of your line.
You mention removing the f8 revolver from time to time while aloft. Does this mean you are only secured to the static line via the hitch cord?
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brilliant! cant wait to try it out.
treebing
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yes. when ascending I am only secured to climbing line via my hitch cord which is not a static line. My only static line is like a 9mm KM3 which is very hard to get a grip on. I can footlock single line pretty well but I like it to be a little fatter. I think it is safer to footlock single line than double line because double line has half the stretch of single line.
one minor problem I've had is that if you are decending and you are in mid air, and you change your mind and want to go up. (like you see a branch youve missed). It is difficult to reverse directions while in mid air.
As far as the advantages of SRT, you have to experience it. there is something liberating about having only one line to deal with. redirecting through branches is awesome, no twists, less tangles, consistant friction regardless of how much you wrap yourself around the tree through branches over bark and under everything.
the other thing that I have been doing is getting better tie in points by being able to back up higher crotches. I like that a lot!
this setup is convenient though too because if you want to go back to Ddrt, you just get the tail of your rope and clip in. boom.
one minor problem I've had is that if you are decending and you are in mid air, and you change your mind and want to go up. (like you see a branch youve missed). It is difficult to reverse directions while in mid air.
As far as the advantages of SRT, you have to experience it. there is something liberating about having only one line to deal with. redirecting through branches is awesome, no twists, less tangles, consistant friction regardless of how much you wrap yourself around the tree through branches over bark and under everything.
the other thing that I have been doing is getting better tie in points by being able to back up higher crotches. I like that a lot!
this setup is convenient though too because if you want to go back to Ddrt, you just get the tail of your rope and clip in. boom.
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if you want to go back to Ddrt, you just get the tail of your rope and clip in. boom.
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You've mentioned this a couple of times. How is your SRT line set up so that the tail (the 'eye' end, correct?) is so easily changed to DdRT?
if you want to go back to Ddrt, you just get the tail of your rope and clip in. boom.
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You've mentioned this a couple of times. How is your SRT line set up so that the tail (the 'eye' end, correct?) is so easily changed to DdRT?
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yes. when ascending I am only secured to climbing line via my hitch cord which is not a static line. My only static line is like a 9mm KM3 which is very hard to get a grip on. I can footlock single line pretty well but I like it to be a little fatter. I think it is safer to footlock single line than double line because double line has half the stretch of single line.
one minor problem I've had is that if you are decending and you are in mid air, and you change your mind and want to go up. (like you see a branch youve missed). It is difficult to reverse directions while in mid air.
As far as the advantages of SRT, you have to experience it. there is something liberating about having only one line to deal with. redirecting through branches is awesome, no twists, less tangles, consistant friction regardless of how much you wrap yourself around the tree through branches over bark and under everything.
the other thing that I have been doing is getting better tie in points by being able to back up higher crotches. I like that a lot!
this setup is convenient though too because if you want to go back to Ddrt, you just get the tail of your rope and clip in. boom.
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OK what I meant by static is not moving. Although it is not a static line it is used in a static configuration= SRT.
And when you remove the additional friction applied by your f8revolver you are only secrued to the "static" line via your hitch cord. Do you not see a safety problem with that?
That is no different than footlocking with a prussik or klemhesit on a static (non moving) line. What are 2 MAJOR rules when doing so? ALways keep your hands below the prussik! Why? So you dont release the hitch and begin descent. Another rule. Never descend on a prussik on a static line!
So how is being attached to a "static" non moving line via a vt any different? Think about that. And even if you say you dont descend without the f8revolver installed, Id find it hard to beleive that working srt you'd never have your hand above that hitch. Does that make any sense?
yes. when ascending I am only secured to climbing line via my hitch cord which is not a static line. My only static line is like a 9mm KM3 which is very hard to get a grip on. I can footlock single line pretty well but I like it to be a little fatter. I think it is safer to footlock single line than double line because double line has half the stretch of single line.
one minor problem I've had is that if you are decending and you are in mid air, and you change your mind and want to go up. (like you see a branch youve missed). It is difficult to reverse directions while in mid air.
As far as the advantages of SRT, you have to experience it. there is something liberating about having only one line to deal with. redirecting through branches is awesome, no twists, less tangles, consistant friction regardless of how much you wrap yourself around the tree through branches over bark and under everything.
the other thing that I have been doing is getting better tie in points by being able to back up higher crotches. I like that a lot!
this setup is convenient though too because if you want to go back to Ddrt, you just get the tail of your rope and clip in. boom.
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OK what I meant by static is not moving. Although it is not a static line it is used in a static configuration= SRT.
And when you remove the additional friction applied by your f8revolver you are only secrued to the "static" line via your hitch cord. Do you not see a safety problem with that?
That is no different than footlocking with a prussik or klemhesit on a static (non moving) line. What are 2 MAJOR rules when doing so? ALways keep your hands below the prussik! Why? So you dont release the hitch and begin descent. Another rule. Never descend on a prussik on a static line!
So how is being attached to a "static" non moving line via a vt any different? Think about that. And even if you say you dont descend without the f8revolver installed, Id find it hard to beleive that working srt you'd never have your hand above that hitch. Does that make any sense?
