Ash riddle

treebing · Jul 28, 2015

Lol, this is funny.

http://www.modeldmedia.com/features/emerald-ash-borer-DNR-070715.aspx

Dan Herms and I quoted in the same article. I was misquoted but whatever. The caption of my picture says it was in front of my home but it was in front of a neighbors home. The neighbor swears he has never treated it. I gave the reporter and the photographer an ash devastation tour about a month ago.

treevet · Jul 28, 2015

Why am I involved in this thread? Because I have a LOT of background with this and it is probably worthwhile to contest minds like this guy and easy blowem and others that would have you think you can just leave your ash tree survival to luck when eab comes to town and they MIGHT survive...not to mention the ridiculousness of leaving drastically degraded ash that become a danger to work on let alone climb and the danger they pose to the community with a moron that claims them alive with a few epicormics on and just above the stem and thinks they should be left in that state.

This conversation is way too stupid for me to waste time on but now this clown has a photographer and reporter following him around and claims to be somebody to listen to. If you are young and/or uninformed and new in the arborist's realm...these are the kind of people to avoid like the plague. Cheers.

Here is a Scientists results....and if you don't know who Dr. Dan Herms is or don't know if eab is an insect or a disease....you don't belong posting opinions on here...

treebing · Jul 28, 2015

Hey, I'm not claiming any opinion one way or another. I'm observing what is going on. I have been observing what is going on since day one of this event. I am NOT responsible for the state of ash trees or any street tree in detroit. Personally, I am glad there are still ash trees around, especially ones that haven't been treated. To me it means that the tree is tougher than people give it credit for. I find it fascinating the difference in the health of various ash trees on the same block. You can't argue that there are still living ash trees on my block that are alive and climbable3 years into the invasion. That's not an opinion, it's an observation. You claim they must be treated, I know that they are not. Just an observation.

You can take it or leave it. I was told they would be stone dead in two to three years after being attacked. I have been watching these trees since and some of them are still viable trees. Whether they will be 20 years into it. I do not know nor will I speculate. If you don't like tree videos, I understand, my wife thinks they are really boring as well.

treebing · Jul 28, 2015

I am not claiming innate resistance. I claiming that they are still alive. That's it.

treebing · Jul 28, 2015

They also have not been missed. They were all definitly found. Maybe they were not found as hard, but why is the tree next to it dead and the next tree half dead. My guess is they will be found again and maybe not fare as well.

Also as previously stated, I don't beleive these to be special trees.
All I'm saying is that they are still alive and faring probably better than the all the Norway maples that were planted and now have girdling roots.

easyphloem · Jul 28, 2015

treevet said:
Why am I involved in this thread? Because I have a LOT of background with this and it is probably worthwhile to contest minds like this guy and easy blowem and others that would have you think you can just leave your ash tree survival to luck when eab comes to town and they MIGHT survive...

There you go again (to quote St. Ronald)...

When did I say to leave your ash tree survival up to luck?

All I said is you are a nasty, angry old man who likes to use insults when dealing with people you think are your intellectual inferior.

SZ

JeffGu · Jul 28, 2015

treevet · Jul 28, 2015

easyphloem said:
There you go again (to quote St. Ronald)...

When did I say to leave your ash tree survival up to luck?

All I said is you are a nasty, angry old man who likes to use insults when dealing with people you think are your intellectual inferior.

SZ

treebing said:
I haven't done an ash removal in years 2006 or 7. I would not remove an ash I wasn't too scared to climb. Last ash I removed I scheduled a crane for wendsday, Monday they called me and told me the tree had fallen over . When I made the cut at the base the root ball flipped completely upside down in th e socket.

Just trying to quickly and concisely reduce things to the lowest common denominator...the truth. Put me on ignore son...I have never liked you even a tiny bit either...but I am not obsessed with you like you are me lol.,

treevet · Jul 28, 2015

TimBr said:
It seems like natural selection at work. Have a really virulent disease come through and almost wipe out an entire population of anything, and the ones that remain are likely to have survived because of a genetic anomoly that gave them resistance. Future generations will likely be resistant also.

Detroit may be inadvertantly finding all of the EAB resistant trees that are available. Maybe university scientists or money motivated tree breeders should gather samples from Detroit and see if they really are EAB resistant.

Tim

This is the post I took exception to. Not Dr. Treebing's but he didn't disagree with this either.

treevet · Jul 28, 2015

treebing said:
It's not a disease, it's a predator. Moving wood does and has spread the bug around the world and across the country. There are thousands of living ash trees across the city. On any given ash lined street of 30 to 50 year old ash trees. Prob ably planted in the 60s 70s and 80s. I would say the complete mortality is 25% another 25% are zombies with just a few green suckers, another 25% are more alive than dead, and 25% are fine.

Forest ashes seem to be in my ramblings seem to be tall and skinny and striving for light and in competition with other trees, they die quickly. The old growth ashes on belle isle seem to have all died. The big monster ashes semester to have all died completely.

This is the Doc's post that is WAY BS

treevet · Jul 28, 2015

treebing said:
I think it's detroit. This street ash has been burned and beaten, the bugs have attacked it and it's still not dead.

That tree IS DEAD....It may not know it...and you may not know it...but it is dead.

easyphloem · Jul 28, 2015

treevet said:
Just trying to quickly and concisely reduce things to the lowest common denominator...the truth. Put me on ignore son...I have never liked you even a tiny bit either...but I am not obsessed with you like you are me lol.,

You strike me as the kind of guy who likes to yell at the TV when it disagrees with you.

Hardly obsessed, old timer. Just having fun.

SZ

treevet · Jul 28, 2015

GrahamS said:
Pretty unbelievable what happens when you just let the street trees go, that newer video would be great to show a village board or council what happens when you do nothing. Kinda paints a picture of how much of a mess Detroit is if they can just let it get that bad. We are about 9 years along with our infestation and we still have some trees hanging on, albeit I see more white ash clinging to life then green. Some of the Ash I see are so aggressive with the epicormics its easy to see how they could cling to life once the pressure from the bug decreases. Hell some of our removals from late spring and early summer will be a 15 ft tall shrubby mess of sprouts by the time we get to the stumps in fall, and a couple times I've even seen logs sitting in our yard start sprouting weeks after they've been cut down.

Do you consider that log alive?...same same

treevet · Jul 28, 2015

treebing said:
Come see for yourself. Maybe fine is not the best word. They were impacted clearly. But 12-13 years after the arrival, they are still here doing their job.

Who is dan herms?

http://www.emeraldashborer.info/files/multistate_eab_insecticide_fact_sheet.pdf

GrahamS · Jul 28, 2015

no way would I consider that log alive, I was just making an observation. When it comes to street trees I manage, there isnt a chance that I would consider leaving a mess of epicormics attached to a half dead ash and call it a viable tree, Its a hazard and needs to be removed plain and simple. But I do feel that some of the sprouting on these trees is aggressive enough that if you left them alone and the bug pressure ever decreases, you could have a shrubby mess of an ash tree again in the future, again not something I would advocate waiting around for.

treevet · Jul 28, 2015

decay never sleeps.

treebing · Jul 29, 2015

If I were responsible for those trees I would in no way leave them around either.

You will find no tree like that on my customers property. But I'm not and I am glad for it and I do find it fascinating to watch the process.

Many of the ash trees I have ever dealt with except some of the very big older ones have been shrubby messes.

KevinS · Jul 29, 2015

Do you guys have an understanding on if they're ok and the epicormic shoots are a good sign why if you drop the whole tree, (limb, etc) why they still seem so dry and explode into a million little pieces. The shots are alive but the tree inside is dead.

classictruckman · Jul 29, 2015

treevet said:
Do you consider that log alive?...same same

umm that log that's GROWING sprouts is alive. I can go to our old wood dump and take pics of some old willow and poplar logs which now have as many branches and leaves as the day that they were cut down. its the same thing, just a different species.

treevet · Jul 29, 2015

KevinS said:
Do you guys have an understanding on if they're ok and the epicormic shoots are a good sign why if you drop the whole tree, (limb, etc) why they still seem so dry and explode into a million little pieces. The shots are alive but the tree inside is dead.

Sprouts are not a good sign. Sprouts form when energy reserves are low.

Sprouts are an emergency system to return energy to the tree.