Ash riddle

easyphloem said:
I'm not arguing with you. In your black and white world, the only plausible explanation for those Ash trees to be alive is that some crazy person is treating them clandestinely, for reasons unknown even to them.

Doesn't add up to me, but again, you have your convictions. Best to stick to them even when they sound ridiculous.

SZ
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I don't recall ever being on the same thread with you where the bulk of your input wasn't perpetual attacks on me. What is your opinion son? You must have one. Neither you or the video poster will actual state what you are insinuating. Say something smart...I'll hold my breath til you do....not.
 
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To be honest, your saying that these trees must have been treated is making me think this is a big deal. Because they were not. I just thought I was posting pictures of tough ass trees that have kept on going. I do know of street trees that were treated in Detroit years ago once. They look just about like the rest of them.
 
treevet said:
I don't recall ever being on the same thread with you where the bulk of your input wasn't perpetual attacks on me. What is your opinion son? You must have one. Neither you or the video poster will actual state what you are insinuating. Say something smart...I'll hold my breath til you do....not.
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The "perpetual" attacks (good job playing the victim, gramps) are nothing compared to the disrespect you spew toward any and all contributors if you disagree with them.

While enjoyable to me on Treebuzz, your constant "sky is falling" demeanor is an indicator of the level (or lack thereof) of joy in your life. I wish you were a happier person, for yourself, and those forced to be near you, either family or co-workers.

Those Ash trees weren't treated. They are in Detroit. They are still alive. Facts are facts, unless you have your head up your ass. Then it's easy to make up your own reality.

Have fun watching the O'Reilly Factor tonight.

SZ
 
easyphloem said:
Those Ash trees weren't treated. They are in Detroit. They are still alive. Facts are facts, unless you have your head up your ass. Then it's easy to make up your own reality.
SZ
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But just what ARE the facts ass wipe? Say it! You and Dr. Timber think they have resistance to EAB in contradiction to lead researcher Phd Scientists. Not that hard to say now is it? I disagree and post all kinds of evidence to the contrary and your answer is to attack me personally. yes, ....

I am a 66 year old man...but far from your average 66 year old man...I am a 66 year old tree man that has never stopped climbing and never stopped working out for strength and stamina. You are just about a hundred miles down the road from me. Why don't you just drive up and see who gets whose head stuck up their ass and we can post it on here. I am real easy to find.
 
The facts: There are ash trees in Detroit that aren't dead in the year 2015. Those Ash trees were not treated. Resistance, or plain hardiness, those trees are surviving. Why are you getting bent out of shape about that?

Oh, boy. You want to fight. Real mature. I have no interest in a physical confrontation with you, you obviously have enough pent up old man rage to power a small village for a year.

Stay up on Cincy, with your terrible football team.

SZ
 
easyphloem said:
The facts: There are ash trees in Detroit that aren't dead in the year 2015. Those Ash trees were not treated. Resistance, or plain hardiness, those trees are surviving. Why are you getting bent out of shape about that?

Oh, boy. You want to fight. Real mature. I have no interest in a physical confrontation with you, you obviously have enough pent up old man rage to power a small village for a year.

Stay up on Cincy, with your terrible football team.

SZ
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I understand it originated in detroit but they've spread like crazy since so no matter if the trees are in michigan, ohio, ontario, new york, a lot have gone for the shits and some didn't some are treated and some are lucky and some are burnt out as an original tree but flourish with sprouts (personally not sure about these ones in the long run, how good is the structure holding the gaining mass? Time will tell this one)

So yeah detroit is hit but so are lots of places I understand you're from detroit so it touches you but that's the same for everybody every where, it's a common problem.

Another thing is some of you guys say remove or don't remove. Don't you guys work for clients that have shitty looking trees, or trees falling apart or just an ash that they are worried about so the call looking for a removal? Do you turn them down if you don't agree, it's there tree and there wants?

Videos shown are of street trees I know lots of cities just can't afford to remove them or treat them all so that's why they stay.

I find any black and white clear cut opinion on a topic like this one means you just don't know. Each tree is its own, saying ash are fine is misleading and dangerous, saying cut them all would loose some prizes. We still have a few choice elms left after dead and I hope ash fairs even better but we'll see.
 
The Ash are definitely not fine. Most that are left, are barely hanging on.
they are a vigorous, hardy tree, I just think it's interesting. It's interesting to me to see the scars from the borer from years ago and how the tree has calluses over them and the. Has been hit again. I don't have any sentimentality about any of these trees, totally alive or dead. I might suggest just deadwooding some of the better looking ones to see what happens. Plant something new in the meantime. There are definitely some ashes around that I would still consider keeping if the client wanted.

I certainly would never suggest wasting money treating any of them and throw chemicals around willy nilly. I can only think of a small handful of particularly sentimental ash trees that I have ever suggested trying to save with chemicals. I just don't see the good in it over the long term. If the tree can't make it on their own without the aid of chemicals, then they have no business being here.

When I get a spare minute, I will climb one of the (untreated) ashes on savannah street and take some video of the canopy.

I keep having this vision of white coated lab guys driving around injecting trees under the cover of darkness all across Detroit. Super creepy.
 
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If I was a betting man I would say that 30 years ago someone was having this same argument about Elm trees. 1 in a 1000 are pretty good odds for finding that 1 tree with the genetic or biological difference to be more tolerant than others. Working in the seed beds at one of the largest nurseries in the U.S. for 10 years it's not hard to see trees with the same parent tree ending up in the same mass plantings we see along boulevards. The seed collected is washed, sewn, dug, graded, bundled, sold in close proximity to each other. If this were Mythbusters, I would say it's plausible the parent tree/trees and subsequently these trees may have a genetic/biological edge against the bug.
 
13 years with the borer and they think it may have been here longer, even 20 years ago. That's really not a long time in tree years as Tom said.
 
treebing said:
13 years with the borer and they think it may have been here longer, even 20 years ago. That's really not a long time in tree years as Tom said.
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For a devastating bug or any problem 20 years seems like a while, it may not seem like long in tree years unless you're a 19 year old tree.
 
treebing said:
The Ash are definitely not fine. Most that are left, are barely hanging on.
they are a vigorous, hardy tree, I just think it's interesting. It's interesting to me to see the scars from the borer from years ago and how the tree has calluses over them and the. Has been hit again. I don't have any sentimentality about any of these trees, totally alive or dead. I might suggest just deadwooding some of the better looking ones to see what happens. Plant something new in the meantime. There are definitely some ashes around that I would still consider keeping if the client wanted.

I certainly would never suggest wasting money treating any of them and throw chemicals around willy nilly. I can only think of a small handful of particularly sentimental ash trees that I have ever suggested trying to save with chemicals. I just don't see the good in it over the long term. If the tree can't make it on their own without the aid of chemicals, then they have no business being here.

When I get a spare minute, I will climb one of the (untreated) ashes on savannah street and take some video of the canopy.

I keep having this vision of white coated lab guys driving around injecting trees under the cover of darkness all across Detroit. Super creepy.
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' I certainly would never suggest wasting money treating any of them and throw chemicals around willy nilly. I can only think of a small handful of particularly sentimental ash trees that I have ever suggested trying to save with chemicals.'

Who made you judge, jury and executioner? I have seen lots of different trees that I wouldn't want in my yard but every home owner has there own story. There kids climb it, there late husband planted it, they planted 1 tree for each kid or grand kid they have, etc so on.

They may have poor structure or soil compaction or or or.... an arborist's job is to mediate people and trees together. We are in the service industry people count on us to help there trees in the best ways we can. So if a tree is with in the ok range to be treated and a homeowner wants to do everything they can to save it why not help? If the tree's to far gone don;t steal there money for no return but educate them and do what you can if that's what is wanted of you.

I've spent hours and days working on trees I'd just as soon 3 cut, stump, replant and come out ahead in my eyes but it's not my eyes I work for the customer's views are the ones I stand behind in each case as professionally as I can
 
I think I was more talking about these detroit street ash trees. It is very rare anymore that I even have a customer with ash trees. The ones that do are treated mostly. Or the trees are so dead I walk away.

I have Deadwooded some detroit city ash trees and I have removed several when clients don't want to wait on the city. I don't have a phc program other than an Airspace but I do have close contacts if my customers want chemical. I just think it should be used with discretion as a whole.
 
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