Ash riddle

classictruckman said:
umm that log that's GROWING sprouts is alive. I can go to our old wood dump and take pics of some old willow and poplar logs which now have as many branches and leaves as the day that they were cut down. its the same thing, just a different species.
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Interesting...the willow log imo becomes alive when it roots and grows to a single or multi stem plant (tree). The sprouts are alive on the heavily infested ash but the tree is not. It has gone into disorder and unable to function as a tree anymore. One of the sprouts, unattacked, could possibly become a tree again or if treated or the willow log rooted and grew into a tree (not likely the ash log) ...the willow log is not alive as a tree. It is just conjecture whether the log or sprout will become a living tree.
 
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I understand your opinion but disagree, the log still had stored energy(life) which it used to create new sprouts and roots until the new growth could take over, but this new growth did not come from a newly germinated seed and it would still contain the same DNA so my opinion is it never died. That burnt out ash which started this tangent maybe taking its final haggard breaths but it is still alive, unless those are new trees which have sprouted roots into the decaying former ash tree.
 
I think it's all up to th e emerald ash borer and what it wants to do. Will it find an equilibrium, will something find it to be edible. Will they come and go in waves. What is the process.
 
In the vid that looks to be Green ash or cultivar of it. Those trees are treated in my opinion as that is their favorite meal. When there is a little feeding the tree sends out signals making it more attractive to eab. These obviously have some infestation. We have a whole town of Ash that have partial infestation like that and are treated annually (for almost 10 years now) with a quick dose of imidacloprid during hours when no one hardly sees them doing it.

Treatment does not repel the insect as some think. There is always SOME attack but upon taking one bite ...they die. If a thousand larvae take one bite...then you can get some blockage of vascular tissue and enough to shut down some branches I think. It is all about getting coverage early enough in the process.
 
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treebing said:
I think it's all up to th e emerald ash borer and what it wants to do. Will it find an equilibrium, will something find it to be edible. Will they come and go in waves. What is the process.
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Questions such as those can be answered by the scientists, one of who is mentioned above, who have devoted their whole lives to studying them since they arrived here in Detroit, and had CONTROLS and written papers....not dreamers.
 
treevet said:
In the vid that looks to be Green ash or cultivar of it. Those trees are treated in my opinion as that is their favorite meal. When there is a little feeding the tree sends out signals making it more attractive to eab. These obviously have some infestation. We have a whole town of Ash that have partial infestation like that and are treated annually (for almost 10 years now) with a quick dose of imidacloprid during hours when no one hardly sees them doing it.

Treatment does not repel the insect as some think. There is always SOME attack but upon taking one bite ...they die. If a thousand larvae take one bite...then you can get some blockage of vascular tissue and enough to shut down some branches I think. It is all about getting coverage early enough in the process.
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Why would any sane person treat those ash trees? That is ludicrous. The building has been abandoned for many many years. The trees are city trees. The whole block has seen very little human activity in years other than junkies and prostitutes I assure you, no one is throwing neonics around to save some 35 foot ashes in this neighborhood.
 
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An experiment. The Valent Program mentioned earlier...or something similar. The city next to ours is broke yet and because of this...they are treating a street of theirs.
 
Dan Herms "have just been missed for some reason? I agree, but I think tha knowing what that reason is is very interesting and if I were a researcher I would try to figure out. Why do seemingly identical trees planted on the same day on the same block have different levels of hardiness in the face of a disaster? I think that if you were a researcher, the state of the detroit city ash trees would make an excelent laboratory.
 
It's possible that it's an experiment that th ey were treated. it would be an extremely broad and crazily chaotic experiment if that were the case. I could post videos of ashes like this all month for you. From a city that is 20 miles across. and tommorrow too.

Your telling me that Valent is saving ash trees on seven mile to find out wether or not imidicloprid kills bugs.
 
treebing said:
Why do seemingly identical trees planted on the same day on the same block have different levels of hardiness in the face of a disaster?
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Storage...$ in a savings account.

[/QUOTE] I think that if you were a researcher, the state of the detroit city ash trees would make an excelent laboratory.[/QUOTE]

What makes you think they haven't and aren't using it?
 
Kevin,

You are dealing with an individual who believes only what he wants to believe. Namely, that those trees in your video have been secretly treated for years by a company seeking no recognition for that work. It is the only plausible explanation (for him) for those Ash trees to have live growth on them at this point.

Proof of treatment is that the trees are still alive. Case closed.

SZ
 
This is the program I have been citing and I know more have been included since this article but Detroit? I don't know. Proof of treatment is that the trees are still alive and healthy...in the epicenter of infestation 13 years later and researchers have found virtually NO evidence of resistance.

http://www.legacytreeproject.com/news/upload/2010_LTP_All-City_Release_Draft_6_10_10.pdf

I could show you a long street lined by healthy ash in Lockland Ohio 45215 that no ones knows were treated other than the muni itself...and me and those that did it (secretly) .
 
treevet said:
Why do you think they are alive blowem....resistance? Those dastardly Phd scientist researchers must be making this stuff up right? "1 in a thousand....
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I'm not arguing with you. In your black and white world, the only plausible explanation for those Ash trees to be alive is that some crazy person is treating them clandestinely, for reasons unknown even to them.

Doesn't add up to me, but again, you have your convictions. Best to stick to them even when they sound ridiculous.

SZ
 
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