Violence, gun culture, what can be/should be done.

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There are already strong gun control in CT. It didn't stop this

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The guns, clips, and ammo used are all legal in CT. So..........................
 
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There are already strong gun control in CT. It didn't stop this

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The guns, clips, and ammo used are all legal in CT. So..........................

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So................more laws will not stop this. Bringing weapons on any school campus and murder are illegal. Didn't stop this. A new security system didn't stop this. More laws will not stop these events.
 
Let me get this straight, you're saying that since the guns are legal now making them illegal won't do anything about restricting access to them. How do you know? They aren't illegal so what are you basing it on? I agree that somehow someone will always find a way to do wrong but we could certainly make it harder. I like shooting, don't get me wrong, but do we really need AK47's with those 75 round clips, I don't think so.

You are wrong about it being illegal to carry guns on school property, lots of places permit it, look it up.
 
Making guns illegal will restrict access to responsible people. In the US the cities/states with the strictest gun control laws have the highest gun crime. Those states/cities with less restrictive gun control have less gun crime. Those who don't care about laws still have access, so more laws won't stop them anyway.

Yes, because I have a 2nd Amendment Right, and I can pass a background check, I would purchase an "assault" weapon if I had the money. Not the AK, but an M1, M4, SCAR, or a few others. Yes, we do need them in the hands of responsible citizens, but I would have one because I have the right to own one. If Santa is listening, I also want a Barrett M82...

I'm in California, and don't know the specifics of CT law, but would be suprised if they are less restrictive. I also don't know if the legal age to own a fiearm in CT is 18 or 21. Either way, he tried to purchase one and didn't want to wait 3 days (the law). So he stole the weapons from his mom after murdering her. Many laws were broken in carrying out this evil deed, and none of them stopped him. Only brave and responsible people can stop folks like this. Therefore, they (we) need to have at least the same firepower as the bad guys.
 
I'm not in favor of making all guns illegal. If you feel the need to conceal carry, fine, but why don't you feel safe with a revolver? If you like target shooting what's wrong with a bolt action rifle? Having rapid shooting high capacity weapons all over the place doesn't make sense to me. Again, the second amendment that you mention was written when the world was using muskets, yeah, muskets, try going on a killing spree with that.
 
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Need to fix society in general. Minority rules. Don't want to offend someone or hurt their feelings.

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You shouldn't want to offend someone or hurt their feelings. Sure, people should be able to take it but some can't. People in this country need to be much more open minded than we are. It's time to stop thinking that our individual actions don't have dire consequences.
 
I do understand that you are not into making all guns illegal, and I didn't mean to imply that if it came off that way. Yes, I would feel safe with a revolver, except that the bad guys have multi-round clips. Responsible citizens have the Right to be at least as well armed as the bad guys. Plus, I really like my USMC Colt 1911 and my Barretta .32.

The musket was the "assault weapon" of it's time. While they didn't know of the weapons we have today, their writings reveal that it is irrelevant. The reasons they wrote the 2nd Amendment was to tell the government that the People have a right to be armed for hunting, personal defense, to be a "first responder" force in case of foreign attack, and to restrict tyranny by their own government. So, caliber, round capacity, or what it looks like is irrelevant.

I also agree with you about individual actions. People should be held responsible for the decisions they make, and that includes all those people who have been able to defend themselves from attack by having a firearm. The lateset stat I read is that about 2 million times a year a firearm is legally used for defense, and most of those are just brandishing the weapon. This is partly what was inteneded by the writers of the Bill of Rights. Those people who are irresponsible with their firearms also should bare the consequences to the fullest extent of the law.
 
Let's dispell one thing right now...

The shooter did NOT use the Bushmaster rifle. It was found in the truck of his vehicle. It's irrelevant.

And statistics have proven by far that gun bans cause increased crime; they don't decrease it.

And I'm ctualli with jomoco on one very big thing...

The drugs. Never mind the guns, they are not the problem. Let's talk about the drugs were giving kids these days!!
 
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Let's dispell one thing right now...

The shooter did NOT use the Bushmaster rifle. It was found in the truck of his vehicle. It's irrelevant.

And statistics have proven by far that gun bans cause increased crime; they don't decrease it.

And I'm ctualli with jomoco on one very big thing...

The drugs. Never mind the guns, they are not the problem. Let's talk about the drugs were giving kids these days!!

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I just had to copy and paste this before it got changed or deleted... I'm not going to argue any of these points, just making internet graffiti if you will...
 
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The drugs. Never mind the guns, they are not the problem. Let's talk about the drugs were giving kids these days!!

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I agree, as a kid who was prescribed drugs I can speak from experience and say it was the most confusing time of my life. On the other hand, I have a friend going through a major manic episode. He has bipolar and has been off his meds for nine months, he gets worse everyday. I'm a little bit conflicted on the meds thing.
 
I get depressed because of the irony of blaming guns while ignoring the one common causal factor linking the mass school shootings, that these shooters were either on, or withdrawing from SSRI drugs, pushed on them by both our courts and schools.

The same irony applies to our current economic stagnation and high unemployment rates being blamed on entitlement programs run amuck, rather than both our corrupt political parties selling American jobs and livelihoods to foreign despots overseas for 30 cents an hour.

America is so corrupt it can't even state the real problem without the consent of its multinational corporate masters?

It really is quite depressing... Do yu think they'd send me a free sample of Lunesta.....to ease my worried mind?

jomoco
 
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There are already strong gun control in CT. It didn't stop this, as gun control laws have not stopped other mass murders such as this. More laws banning guns will not stop more shootings.

We have laws against drug use, and people still use drugs. We have laws against murder, and murder still occurs. Studying and understanding why these events happen needs to be taken seriously. Studying what has deterred/stopped these events need to lead us to a solution.

As complete gun confiscation in this country will never be accepted in this country, and will still not reduce murders, the solution must be found in the changing the culture. Until then it is up to us to take action ourselves. Cops do their best, and everything they can, but unfortunately when seconds count they are minutes away.

Here is some research I found from someone who looked at 29 of these types of shootings going back more than 50 years. He looked at the difference between when law enforcement stopped the killer or when citizens did, and how many died before action was taken.

"With 15 incidents stopped by police with a total of 217 dead that’s an average of about 14.29. With 17 incidents stopped by civilians and 45 dead that’s an average of 2.33.

"The first point I want to draw your attention to is that roughly half of shooting rampages end in suicide anyway. What that means is that police are not ever in a position to stop most of them. Only the civilians present at the time of the shooting have any opportunity to stop those shooters. That’s probably more important than the statistic itself. In a shooting rampage, counting on the police to intervene at all is a coin flip at best.

"Second, within the civilian category 11 of the 17 shootings were stopped by unarmed civilians. What’s amazing about that is that whether armed or not, when a civilian plays hero it seems to save a lot of lives. The courthouse shooting in Tyler, Texas was the only incident where the heroic civilian was killed. In that incident the hero was armed with a handgun and the villain was armed with a rifle and body armor. If you compare the average of people killed in shootings stopped by armed civilians and unarmed civilians you get 1.8 and 2.6 but that’s not nearly as significant as the difference between a proactive civilian, and a cowering civilian who waits for police.

"So, given that far less people die in rampage shootings stopped by a proactive civilian, only civilians have any opportunity to stop rampage shootings in roughly half of incidents, and armed civilians do better on average than unarmed civilians, wouldn’t you want those heroic individuals who risk their lives to save others to have every tool available at their disposal?"

http://dailyanarchist.com/2012/07/31/auditing-shooting-rampage-statistics/

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Yes.
 
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The musket was the "assault weapon" of it's time. While they didn't know of the weapons we have today, their writings reveal that it is irrelevant. The reasons they wrote the 2nd Amendment was to tell the government that the People have a right to be armed for hunting, personal defense, to be a "first responder" force in case of foreign attack, and to restrict tyranny by their own government. So, caliber, round capacity, or what it looks like is irrelevant.



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Exactly what i was going to say, I'm just catching up. The guns at that time, were the top of the line weapons.

Don't act like they were nothing.

This whole thing makes me want to buy an AR 15 before they are made illegal.

Why? Because I know I would only ever use it for good.

It would be fun for target shooting and collecting, plus, worse case scenario, the country collapses someday... my family has decent fire-power.


I'm sure I'll get plenty of crap for this, but it's the truth, I'm considering it.

Where I live, my guns have helped us many times. Helped our family and pets. Against diseased foxes and racoons, plus security on attempted robbery. I have walked the property many times with night vision and a laser sight. Sure beats a base ball bat.
 

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