Violence, gun culture, what can be/should be done.

And the details are emerging that he did not legally posses the guns he used, no assault weapons were used... Any more excuses to give our liberties away for a false sense of security?

Oddly enough, however... It was the ACLU who recently assisted in removing the one law on the books in CT that might have stopped him. You can no longer involuntarily confine someone and force them into phsychiactric care.

As a parent with a school-age child, I too find this especially heinous. But let's not pass a bunch of knee jerk laws that will only further empower the psychos.
 
Good Point Jomoco. just saw on the news some other idiot is threatening on Facebook if he could get a gun he would shoot up every school within a hundred miles. He should be punished and incarcerated. This type of behaviour should not be taken lightly.
 
Whether or not the kid was on SSRI's kinda doesn't matter to me. He had access to his mother's guns. That's the real issue.

I have guns in multiple places around my house. All of them are unloaded, secured, and not even remotely close to ammunition.

Whether he was 10, 20, or 40, he shouldn't have had access to her firearms. Her fault if you ask me.

Were the Columbine guys on drugs at the time? Did they even have SSRI's then?
 
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I'm not following Jomoco. Would SSRIs indicate they had been diagnosed with depression or that the SSRIs caused the eratic behaviour?

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My understanding is that it's coming off these SSRI's that makes these kids snap.

My sons tell me that far more students are on this dangerous crap than you'd think.

Eric Harris was coming off Luxor when Columbine saw mass carnage.

jomoco
 
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Whether or not the kid was on SSRI's kinda doesn't matter to me. He had access to his mother's guns. That's the real issue.

I have guns in multiple places around my house. All of them are unloaded, secured, and not even remotely close to ammunition.

Whether he was 10, 20, or 40, he shouldn't have had access to her firearms. Her fault if you ask me.

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How do you know she didn't do the same with hers? If someone wanted YOUR guns bad enough, they could get them.

But let's keep blaming everybody but the shooter, ok?
 
And what about all of the non-medication chemicals our kids are swallowing by the tons these days?

Nobody seems to be able to explain why our kids tody are going through puberty on average three years younger than kids of 30 years ago. Couldn't have anything to do with all the GMO's and pesticides they ingest, could it? Or the now commonplace use of hormones in meats?

Thirty years ago an 8 year old female growing breasts and starting menses would have been peculiar; today it's pretty common.
 
I'm sure they could. Good luck finding the corresponding ammunition.

I'm not saying it's JUST her fault. But I'm not blaming gun companies either.

I'm saying that when you own guns, it's YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to prevent access to them.
 
And I'm saying there's only so much securing you can do. I already think the rules are excessive to the point of ruling out home defense.

As long as your windows are rolled up and you took the keys with you, you wouldn't expect someone to partly blame you for stealing your car, would you?
 
I agree that things are already excessive. Especially here.

Home defense in an instant definitely isn't an option for me here, but I'm ok with that considering I have a small son. If I ever need to defend the house from zombies, in about 10 minutes I should be good to go.
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If I took the keys with me? No, I wouldn't blame myself. If I left the keys out somewhere and enabled access? Yea, I'd be pretty angry with myself.
 
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Who's the world's biggest arms supplier by a huge margin?


Who's the world's biggest consumer of both legal and illegal drugs?

Heroin or Zoloft my sweetie?

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OK I'm following now. Should get some stock in those markets.
 
I thought it was interesting that in the other thread an anonymous person from another country was commanding this country to rid itself of all firearms. It kind of goes without saying how stupid that is.


Really the fact of the issue is this. There has never been a time in the world of perfect harmony and peace, and there will never be one until the human population is genetically evolved into perfect, straight lace thinking. Life is deadly, and it's those that are the least deadly that happen to be the most vulnerable.

When there is a problem, you fix it by a means that is possible not a means that is impossible. Writing something in a law book to fix a problem such as the problem at hand fixes nothing except making a politician or whatever feel famous and important for a little while. Either the correction of the character of humankind is necessary, or arming yourself from the worst of human kind is necessary. Those are solutions that can fix the problem at hand. And there are much, much worse solutions that can fix the problem such as bad characters. Much worse that we shouldn't say. I think legal rights to bear arms is the lightest solution in the cards.
 
If you compare Canada to US.
we are identical in almost every way except for gun laws.

Why is Canada one of the safest countries in the world.
look at any other country that budgets the majority of federal dollars on Education opposed to defense then you will see the answer.

I use this saying often but here I go again.

If we can put a man on the moon or arm ourselves to the teeth, why is it we can not improve and save lives and prevent this _____ from happening.
 
If you want to look at what our society will be without guns, look to prison, a place with some of the highest security available, yet people still kill on the inside. Even to say you get rid of all guns, used/possessed by 'good' and 'bad' people, those who have it in them to do harm to others, they will. In the place where it should be most apparent to someone that what they are doing is bad, and they still sharpen that shank, make that club and use it!!

If I am to provide a personal opinion, being of the younger consensus in this forum (20) and growing up in this "generation 'Rx'" kind of world, i see it is the exact lack of firearm presence which contributes to the lethal use of them today. Kids should be taught about firearms when they are young, their minds are malleable and they begin with a foundation that guns are not toys, but useful tools; for both sport and protection of property and nation. It is when a persons first experience with a firearm is through the screen of a tv, the trigger of a controller, that they develop into the alternate belief that it is a game, with no real world repercussion. And with many adolescents, that is restricted by parents, educators, and the general moral fabric of this country, but some will always slip through the seams. How is it the trend, that 50 years ago, my uncle was able to bring a 30-06 to school and sell it to a friend, and not a eyebrow was raised, but in this day and age, we have metal detectors checking people for concealed weapons, and this is such a common incident.

I leave with this, for those who say that society isn't playing a role in this, and that it is all the gault of guns,remember this:
In Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Two, (a game which an incredible number of minors and adults play, there is a level called 'No Russian,' The 'mission' begins disembarking an elevator in an airport, with automatic weapons with the objective being to kill as many civilians as possible and send a message to whatever fictional government the developers created.

Once someone has the disposition to commit an act so horrid, they will resort to whatever means available to fulfill it.
 
Very nice ropeshield. I have always advocated for Education over 'elimination'. We are still firing teachers, but manage to keep fighting wars and inflating the defense budget. Sad, sad, sad.
 
The moral fabric of society today is torn to shreds. I'm acutely aware that my daughter is only one psycho away from not getting off the bus at 2:00. It saddens me deeply.

I also like the idea of teaching kids about guns. All kids. We don't want them doing drugs, but we educate them on the real dangers of them, don't we? Why should firearms be any different? Actions have real consequences in the real world. The realism of gaming today makes it way too easy to be detached frothe reality of killing. And look at the crap on tv... We have kids beating each other up mimicking their favorite UFC guy. And who is there to look up to? Snooki and the other scumbags on Jersey Shore?


Adam, I get to Rockland a few times a year. Next time I'm down, first cold one is on me. I can take the quick hop over your way. Always fun to meet other Massholes.
 
Canada identical to the US? As Ricky from Trailer Park Boys would say "that would be a worst case Ontario".

Keeping guns in homes as defence against foriegn invaders is as real as Suddam's weaponds of mass destruction. I don't think Canada wants any part of that, we proved our point in 1812 and Mexico was already conquered by an army of hawaiian shirts. The oceans will slow the other evil empires.
 
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