Violence, gun culture, what can be/should be done.

FYI... The second amendment isn't so much about protecting ourselves against foreign invaders; it's about protecting ourselves from our government.
 
I invite the young folks to check out Rod Serling's adaptation of the Charles Dickens classic, complete with a modern twist that's really quite sobering.

From 1964, Carol For Another Christmas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_for_Another_Christmas

Gotta love Peter Sellers reprising Dr. Strangelove's character again!

This obscure classic gets my vote for this year's most pertinent film.

Such a frank look at human nature's dark side.

I think every tea partier should be required to watch this movie as a gesture of compromise and good faith this X-mas.

This movie will be shown again on TCM on the 22nd of Dec.

jomoco
 
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FYI... The second amendment isn't so much about protecting ourselves against foreign invaders; it's about protecting ourselves from our government.

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YOU got it.

That was THE main reason for the second amendment and that reason will always be there.

Power in the hands of the people. Power in numbers.

About the school tragedy, the nation has to do better with the mentally disturbed people.

Too many are let out of jail, because they are not sane. Too many don’t get help or don’t get committed to an institution anymore.

There will always be an easy way to kill people with guns or not.

I could walk into a school or crowd with a fire extinguisher full of hydrochloric acid and cause more pain and suffering then actually killing someone.

Or make an explosive device out of so many things.

The only way they can step up security at a school would be an armed guard, that could put down an attacker.

Good people with guns stop bad people with guns (or whatever else they have).
 
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I leave with this, for those who say that society isn't playing a role in this, and that it is all the gault of guns,remember this:
In Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Two, (a game which an incredible number of minors and adults play, there is a level called 'No Russian,' The 'mission' begins disembarking an elevator in an airport, with automatic weapons with the objective being to kill as many civilians as possible and send a message to whatever fictional government the developers created.

Once someone has the disposition to commit an act so horrid, they will resort to whatever means available to fulfill it.

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And before this the game gave a warning that allowed you to skip the scene. I was thinking it couldn't be that bad....It left me with a sick stomach. Although a scene before that I believe you were an American soldier running through neighborhoods while enemies were dropping in and tanks were driving through homes. It was a weird feeling.


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FYI... The second amendment isn't so much about protecting ourselves against foreign invaders; it's about protecting ourselves from our government.

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YOU got it.


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Never thought about it this way. It makes sense now.
 
The second amendment was written when the world was using muskets. I seriously doubt that out forefathers saw this coming. I think it's time to review the second amendment and come up with something that suits our time and society. As far as locking up the mentally ill, we've been doing it for years and it's not really working out to well is it? How do you think that would solve anything? I think it would just inspire more people to end their time on this planet in a whirlwind of blood and bullets. We need to give people a reason to live not a reason to die. I'm in no way attempting to detract from the depraved nature of the crimes committed on Friday. I am, however, saying that this is a societal problem and as members of this society we need to ask ourselves, as individuals, how am "I" contributing to this problem. I've spent a lot of time thinking about this stuff, I have been directly affected by this type of violence.
 
People need to know whether or not their president is a crook?

Well I'm not a crook!

I just kill anyone I want to with drones. Americans abroad, foreign nationals inside their own borders, whatever.

And you thought trickie ick Nixon was dead?

The neoconservative cause marches bravely forward this very day!

Aided and abetted by so called democrats like Clinton and Obama, both complicit in selling out their own constituents livelihoods for 30 cents an hour!

Welcome to the new neoconservative world order folks!

jomoco
 
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FYI... The second amendment isn't so much about protecting ourselves against foreign invaders; it's about protecting ourselves from our government.

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Or.... what it actually says..................
As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

That is quite a bit different than your summary of it.
 
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People need to know whether or not their president is a crook?

Well I'm not a crook!

I just kill anyone I want to with drones. Americans abroad, foreign nationals inside their own borders, whatever.

And you thought trickie ick Nixon was dead?

The neoconservative cause marches bravely forward this very day!

Aided and abetted by so called democrats like Clinton and Obama, both complicit in selling out their own constituents livelihoods for 30 cents an hour!

Welcome to the new neoconservative world order folks!

jomoco

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Just keep driving that wedge man. Why, at a time like this, in a conversation like this, would you bring in such heated polarizing ranting. Isn't debating gun policy in America polarizing enough?
 
People need to know we peddle more guns and armaments throughout the world than any other country, by a huge factor.

You think that's not pertinent to this thread?

jomoco
 
Why is such a tragic massacre like this such a world shaking media event only in the US?

When innocents get massacred in Sudan and Afghanistan it's considered collateral damage and regrettable?

In whose eyes?

Is their suffering somehow less?

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Absolutely not. America's relationship with violence should be under review right now. Everybody knows that the US sells tons and tons of weapons every year, whatever, sell billions of low capacity bolt action rifles for all I care, they aren't the problem. I think the bigger issue as far as guns are concerned is the ease of access to weapons that can do massive damage in short amounts of time. I know that people will bring up the bomb thing again but at least a bomb takes time and some level of sophistication to make. If everybody knows that little Jimmy or Suzy has mental problems and sees them buying things like fertilizer and wires somebody will stop them. With guns and easy access to guns and crazy ammo somebody can make the decision to massacre in the blink of an eye and never look back.
 
There are already strong gun control in CT. It didn't stop this, as gun control laws have not stopped other mass murders such as this. More laws banning guns will not stop more shootings.

We have laws against drug use, and people still use drugs. We have laws against murder, and murder still occurs. Studying and understanding why these events happen needs to be taken seriously. Studying what has deterred/stopped these events need to lead us to a solution.

As complete gun confiscation in this country will never be accepted in this country, and will still not reduce murders, the solution must be found in the changing the culture. Until then it is up to us to take action ourselves. Cops do their best, and everything they can, but unfortunately when seconds count they are minutes away.

Here is some research I found from someone who looked at 29 of these types of shootings going back more than 50 years. He looked at the difference between when law enforcement stopped the killer or when citizens did, and how many died before action was taken.

"With 15 incidents stopped by police with a total of 217 dead that’s an average of about 14.29. With 17 incidents stopped by civilians and 45 dead that’s an average of 2.33.

"The first point I want to draw your attention to is that roughly half of shooting rampages end in suicide anyway. What that means is that police are not ever in a position to stop most of them. Only the civilians present at the time of the shooting have any opportunity to stop those shooters. That’s probably more important than the statistic itself. In a shooting rampage, counting on the police to intervene at all is a coin flip at best.

"Second, within the civilian category 11 of the 17 shootings were stopped by unarmed civilians. What’s amazing about that is that whether armed or not, when a civilian plays hero it seems to save a lot of lives. The courthouse shooting in Tyler, Texas was the only incident where the heroic civilian was killed. In that incident the hero was armed with a handgun and the villain was armed with a rifle and body armor. If you compare the average of people killed in shootings stopped by armed civilians and unarmed civilians you get 1.8 and 2.6 but that’s not nearly as significant as the difference between a proactive civilian, and a cowering civilian who waits for police.

"So, given that far less people die in rampage shootings stopped by a proactive civilian, only civilians have any opportunity to stop rampage shootings in roughly half of incidents, and armed civilians do better on average than unarmed civilians, wouldn’t you want those heroic individuals who risk their lives to save others to have every tool available at their disposal?"

http://dailyanarchist.com/2012/07/31/auditing-shooting-rampage-statistics/
 
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