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hseII said:
He was reported to the FBI for making threats to shoot up a school, which I believe to be considered terroristic threats.

The FBI has already admitted they chose not to act upon that information.

If this had been checked out & subsequently proven, we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now because Mr. Cruz would be incarcerated.
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What if the FBI was able to arrest him. What if they had confiscated his weapon. What if local law enforcement had done something. What if the students, teacher, or community could have help him. What if our laws actually prevented this lunatic from obtaining an assault rifle. That a whole lot of what if's buddy.
You seem to be asking society as a whole to play the perfect game, where no one slips through the cracks. Zero margin of error. All so a small minority of scared 2nd amendment wing-nuts can hang on to their shiny weapons of death.. I say Fuck That. We the majority say Fuck That. The battle lines have been drawn and the demand for change will surely win in the end.
 
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Bucknut said:
Rico, I share your goals. (Except the assault weapon ban). Those steps are reasonable and achievable. I'd vote for all of them. But.....as I said above... they won't work.

I don't dispute that these steps could save some lives, as noted in Tom's article. Mostly domestic violence offenders and other guys who might go to a gun store to get a gun. Fine.

But it seems like those aren't the guys we are worried about. It's the mass shooters. No national outrage is evident when Bill from Pittsburgh shoots his estranged lover. But here we all are, on a tree forum, debating gun control for days after a school shooting.

These guys will plot. They will wait. They will get a gun. Not from a gun store, so no background check. No mental health requirement, and no assault weapon ban if you get it from the guy down the street for $300 cash.
Get it? The worst ones-the most motivated and crazy-don't care about your laws, background checks, your waiting periods or your assault weapon bans. They will find a way to get a gun no questions asked.

So here we are. I get the impression a lot of people are finding it hard to grasp the fact that there are problems politicians simply can't solve.
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This is a uniquely American problem.. What is that?
 
My prediction: you won't have to repeal the 2nd Amendment. All it's going to take is 1or 2 Supreme Court justices to change their minds on the issue. It just might happen.

But still no easy solution. People won't give up their guns. They just won't.
 
rico said:
This is a uniquely American problem.. What is that?
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Because to my knowledge we are the only nation in the history of this planet that has enshrined the right to keep and bear arms in its founding document, which is the supreme law of the land.

But I'll agree, it is an interesting question. Other cultures must be equally exposed to violent movies and video games. I suppose having no guns (like in certain other countries) would cut back on this sort of thing. But there is that pesky 2nd Anendment. Americans just feel more strongly about guns that any other culture. Maybe that's changing.
 
I'm also not crazy about a State where only the State has weaponry. Ultimately it was put in as a check against a potential tyrannical government.
 
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rico said:
What if the FBI was able to arrest him. What if they had confiscated his weapon. What if local law enforcement had done something. What if the students, teacher, or community could have help him. What if our laws actually prevented this lunatic from obtaining an assault rifle. That a whole lot of what if's buddy.
You seem to be asking society as a whole to play the perfect game, where no one slips through the cracks. Zero margin of error. All so a small minority of scared 2nd amendment wing-nuts can hang on to their shiny weapons of death.. I say Fuck That. We the majority say Fuck That. The battle lines have been drawn and the demand for change will surely win in the end.
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There are more “Wing Nuts” than you obviously realize.

What You’ve Asked For,
Well, in one word,

NO.


I can Buy in To the Following.
https://townhall.com/columnists/kev...eliminate-school-shootings-overnight-n2450380
 
Bucknut said:
Because to my knowledge we are the only nation in the history of this planet that has enshrined the right to keep and bear arms in its founding document, which is the supreme law of the land.

But I'll agree, it is an interesting question. Other cultures must be equally exposed to violent movies and video games. I suppose having no guns (like in certain other countries) would cut back on this sort of thing. But there is that pesky 2nd Anendment. Americans just feel more strongly about guns that any other culture. Maybe that's changing.
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The Line is becoming more clear, but no, it’s not changing.

Other parts of the world have mass killings too: don’t forget Paris, Norway, & others so soon.
 
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rico said:
What if the FBI was able to arrest him. What if they had confiscated his weapon. What if local law enforcement had done something. What if the students, teacher, or community could have help him. What if our laws actually prevented this lunatic from obtaining an assault rifle. That a whole lot of what if's buddy.
You seem to be asking society as a whole to play the perfect game, where no one slips through the cracks. Zero margin of error. All so a small minority of scared 2nd amendment wing-nuts can hang on to their shiny weapons of death.. I say Fuck That. We the majority say Fuck That. The battle lines have been drawn and the demand for change will surely win in the end.
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I didn’t say “What If.”

I said the FBI admitted to not doing their job.

Here,
Let me share the link from CNN this time so maybe you can understand it better.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...tics/parkland-shooting-fbi-tipster/index.html
 
JD3000 said:
I'm also not crazy about a State where only the State has weaponry. Ultimately it was put in as a check against a potential tyrannical government.
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Damn...I'm gone for a few months and miss this salty shouting in the wind argument about gun control. It was worth it though.

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Looks like everyone has been reblasting their best facebook memes and favorite news talking points.

My favorites so far is the gun is just a tool, everyone used to have guns in their trucks, alcohol is being banned, and just put an unemployed vet or arm the teachers.

What does any of it meme?

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Besides putting gun towers, alligators in moats, and doing drone strikes at schools - Here is my suggestion - and I taught k-12 for 15 years in public schools, Japan, and Spain.

Also have visited other democratic countries where guns are an earned privledge- oh...and I'm a gun owmer.

Every child in every state is worth billions of dollars in federal funding. A child who does not go to school does not earn a state or school district money. Funding is based on attendance.

If every fed up parent pulled their children from school or every kid walked out of school and demanded that the insanity stop and something be done or they will not return - billions of dollars would vaporize before every state's eyes.

Democrats and republicans would have to come up with a solution because if would put their economies in a ditch.

That is more power than every gun in America and every dollar that could be put together by the NRA.

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NorCalBrock said:
Damn...I'm gone for a few months and miss this salty shouting in the wind argument about gun control. It was worth it though.

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Sorry, world isn't ready to lay down arms and explore the galaxy together just yet. Wish it were so.

I also admit to having a thing for dystopian fiction.
 
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Bucknut said:
Because to my knowledge we are the only nation in the history of this planet that has enshrined the right to keep and bear arms in its founding document, which is the supreme law of the land.

But I'll agree, it is an interesting question. Other cultures must be equally exposed to violent movies and video games. I suppose having no guns (like in certain other countries) would cut back on this sort of thing. But there is that pesky 2nd Anendment. Americans just feel more strongly about guns that any other culture. Maybe that's changing.
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The 2nd amendment was put in place so the people could keep the government from getting out of control(failed miserably.) The biggest problem with our society is punishing all for a few stupid idiots. I own plenty of guns but no desire or intention of harming others. Laws don't stop criminals and never will.

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Well, Brock did it. Solved school shootings in a way that never occurred to me: just take the kids out of school! Duh! It was so simple all along!:rayos:

Just ribbing you Brock. But since you may not have read all previous posts, let me re-ask: just what do you expect "democrats and republicans" to do? I mean, besides "something". WHAT?

Also please keep in mind that deranged
murderers don't care about whatever law "democrats and republicans" come up with....just like they don't care about that law against murder.
 
Here's the uncomfortable truth confronting liberals: the ONLY gun control that will accomplish their goals it a TOTAL AND COMPLETE CONFISCATION OF ALL GUNS.

Very few will admit this, but more and more are lately. (Michael Moore) Since total confiscation (in this country) is literally impossible without tearing the country itself apart, here we are. If we can't stop the guns we'd better work on stopping the shooter.
 
It's all academic. The highest fear factors appear to be milked, expectedly, by the NRA and it's campaign of fear. Nothing new, but also what's gotten America to this point in the first place.
I'm going to let the kids who were victimized speak. It's their world we left them with, made the laws for, or manipulated the laws to. The adults all failed. The kids are the ones who have the right to change it now, we don't. They have the rights, the moral authority to speak and enact what they need to try to keep this from being "normalized".
The shame is on us. More so, the Only Political NRA.
 
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