Trump allowed a gun sale Obama wouldn't

@hseII Google is where I start too. Good to do our own homework and learn

When I want an answer I source from a variety of places and simmer everything together

Back when I lead week long winter camping trips I would buy a copy of Weekly World News. It would be stashed in the food pack to be discovered when we were on the trail. WWN was always a good source of comic relief. But there were always a couple of solid well written articles. I remember more than once reading something on the trail and then finding more info later in main stream press
 
rockettree said:
I agree it is a societal issue but can't it be both? Imagine our society as a crazy person who has done harm to himself and others with a gun. What would be your first step in trying to help this person out and stop further harm?

This flat denial that it is not a gun issue is absurd. However I agree that a fixation on the issue of gun ownership doesn't help us address the other issues.
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It's not a gun issue at all. Walking into a school and murdering innocent children is a deliberate act of a bloodthirsty savage. I don't buy into this crap of mental illness or medication made him do it. Those kids are dead and we'll be paying for this dirtbag to rot in jail. Let's quit making excuses and start holding people accountable for their actions and prosecute to the fullest extent. This coward shouldn't be breathing.

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oakwilt said:
Quit throwing out the pathetic claims until, at the very minimum, fact check.
That makes a good reporter and presents a valid point.
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I see I Quoted Incorrect information concerning the Obama’s & Hilary’s Law Licenses. I’ve already admitted that.

I previously posted statistics from Planned Parenthood’s website, the FBI.org website, & others that are as close as I am aware of to be Unbiassed Sources.

I’ve asked for other unbiased sources from another member.

As I’ve already mentioned my error, (thanks for Pointing that out @Tom Dunlap), please point out the Supposedly “Pathetic claims” you referenced above, & also answer questions I asked previously.

I thought we were past this.


P.S. I’m not a Reporter.
 
Fact check. We were just starting to get along here. We dialogued finally, almost. Then you post claims that you got from where I just illustrated.
Reach, kid. Stretch the mind and type a search for information that might save something instead of agreeable shit that's nothing but hate, sedative, accusatory, and "I heard" garbage.
If you can't find any, try a new fucking homepage. Like I said, I don't hate you but not yielding a fearful hate-filled mind into something a little bigger, I know..or knew people who didn't listen to anything said or believed only their source and often even pieces of them were all that was left.
 
Tom Dunlap said:
@hseII Google is where I start too. Good to do our own homework and learn

When I want an answer I source from a variety of places and simmer everything together

Back when I lead week long winter camping trips I would buy a copy of Weekly World News. It would be stashed in the food pack to be discovered when we were on the trail. WWN was always a good source of comic relief. But there were always a couple of solid well written articles. I remember more than once reading something on the trail and then finding more info later in main stream press
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Thank You.
 
Somebody link him with a real news ..no networks..independent. And I know fake news accused PBS as Liberal. It ain't kid. It's truth, presented from and probed into detail. No. Its not alt-right or make great america again news service. It ain't motherjones either.
 
oakwilt said:
Fact check. We were just starting to get along here. We dialogued finally, almost. Then you post claims that you got from where I just illustrated.
Reach, kid. Stretch the mind and type a search for information that might save something instead of agreeable shit that's nothing but hate, sedative, accusatory, and "I heard" garbage.
If you can't find any, try a new fucking homepage. Like I said, I don't hate you but not yielding a fearful hate-filled mind into something a little bigger, I know..or knew people who didn't listen to anything said or believed only their source and often even pieces of them were all that was left.
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I don’t have a homepage.

@TomDunlap shared some links.

I ask you for the same: maybe my circle isn’t large enough.

It may not be so clear, yet, but I’m
Skeptical of “Sources” except when it comes to the Clintons.

Most all the Shit I see about them that is Bad or Negative, Usually ends up being true.
 
oakwilt said:
Somebody link him with a real news ..no networks..independent. And I know fake news accused PBS as Liberal. It ain't kid. It's truth, presented from and probed into detail. No. Its not alt-right or make great america again news service. It ain't motherjones either.
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I’ve Tried NPR, but they are a bit MotherJones.
 
I read a very interesting article on The Guardian explaining how there is becoming a bad spin on how killers are thought to have mental health issues

The article explained that anger issues are the more likely basis for these and other killings
 
And I'm sorry for lashing kid, but we're gonna work this out.
You or somebody mentioned parents or community or family and no, there's little of that anywhere anymore. Fake news promises no future when it even slams climate change but "witch hunt by losers" at this point in time, indictments and all, friendly witnesses and principles testifying, might wanna look for a lifeboat, one that floats.
 
oakwilt said:
And I'm sorry for lashing kid, but we're gonna work this out.
You or somebody mentioned parents or community or family and no, there's little of that anywhere anymore. Fake news promises no future when it even slams climate change but "witch hunt by losers" at this point in time, indictments and all, friendly witnesses and principles testifying, might wanna look for a lifeboat, one that floats.
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I mentioned the lack of the Family.

I also mentioned the Inmate discussion earlier.
https://newsandviewsusa.com/breaking-the-cycle-recidivism/
Opinion?





Check out this article:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.wnd.com/2018/02/explosive-device-found-at-border-bridge-to-texas/amp/

What do you make of it?
 
Brian72 said:
It's not a gun issue at all. Walking into a school and murdering innocent children is a deliberate act of a bloodthirsty savage. I don't buy into this crap of mental illness or medication made him do it. Those kids are dead and we'll be paying for this dirtbag to rot in jail. Let's quit making excuses and start holding people accountable for their actions and prosecute to the fullest extent. This coward shouldn't be breathing.
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Man kills kids with gun= gun issue (at least in part). I can't see it any other way. Sure there are other ways to kill a bunch of people really fast but few are as easy to procure as a gun.

What's the practical difference between a diagnosed mentally ill person and "a bloodthirsty savage"? How does this help deter the many people who set out to commit these atrocities fully intending to die in the process? Get shot buy the cops now, or killed in a prison later what's the diff?

Keep placing the blame on nebulous things like society and family, wait awhile to see if those change for the better and see how that goes. Seems reasonable to me.
 
I don't follow the detonations anymore. Too many. Seen enough.

The fish I like are big ones and I have to focus pretty tightly. I'm aware however. Alway's been. Wouldn't be otherwise. Ain't easy watching the civilized world and the planet fall. Excuses for it just to keep squeezing it further and knowing blowback from other's decisions personally, here I am doing what you see. A lot. I retired, forcefully. At high cost. Im not arm-chairing either, there's shit going on, it's why the school shootings hurt so much. It's why you connected but number one..fact check. Might not agree with what you see but if you claim things because you care, check them out first for your sake, then the world's because everyone can see you..and the future, if you want one, takes involvement and cooperation. Not dictation.
 
oakwilt said:
I don't follow the detonations anymore. Too many. Seen enough.

The fish I like are big ones and I have to focus pretty tightly. I'm aware however. Alway's been. Wouldn't be otherwise. Ain't easy watching the civilized world and the planet fall. Excuses for it just to keep squeezing it further and knowing blowback from other's decisions personally, here I am doing what you see. A lot. I retired, forcefully. At high cost. Im not arm-chairing either, there's shit going on, it's why the school shootings hurt so much. It's why you connected but number one..fact check. Might not agree with what you see but if you claim things because you care, check them out first for your sake, then the world's because everyone can see you..and the future, if you want one, takes involvement and cooperation. Not dictation.
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The first article was about real
People & 2nd chances.

The 2nd was an IED at the Mexican Texas Boarder.

I know the 1st One is Truth.

I was sharing the 1st & asking if you had any input on the 2nd.
 
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Hell yeah. The American frontier is long dead, keep clutching your weapons, peer out from the walls of the fort and watch the world pass you by.
 
I'm not lazy in getting information, and I don't simply watch the world go by. I involve. I have to. Maybe that's the generational issue. Maybe that's why kids have nothing tangible upstairs.
The Marjorie Stoneham Douglass HS kids do, but they paid a stiff price for it. They'll fire-up not just a few folk.
 
rockettree said:
Man kills kids with gun= gun issue (at least in part). I can't see it any other way. Sure there are other ways to kill a bunch of people really fast but few are as easy to procure as a gun.

What's the practical difference between a diagnosed mentally ill person and "a bloodthirsty savage"? How does this help deter the many people who set out to commit these atrocities fully intending to die in the process? Get shot buy the cops now, or killed in a prison later what's the diff?

Keep placing the blame on nebulous things like society and family, wait awhile to see if those change for the better and see how that goes. Seems reasonable to me.
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I don't believe the blame can be put on society either. I grew up watching Nightmare on Elm St. and all the other popular horror movies. Never made me a slasher. The biggest problem with society and parenting is they don't hold these kids accountable and there's always an excuse. This younger generation has been so desensitized. Everybody wakes up looking for a reason to protest and be pissed off. I don't get it. A murderous animal is turned into a political issue. Total bulls***!





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