Trump allowed a gun sale Obama wouldn't

[hseII]

Context matters, your arguments are definitely lacking in it.

Like it or not abortions are considered medical procedures, car related deaths are almost all accidents and drug overdoses are somewhere between suicide and accident. There is no meaningful comparison to be drawn from among these random statistics you provide, with corresponding links, because they are not contextualized.

The disarmament before genocide argument is flawed in part because it lacks context but also because it shows you have little understanding of the conditions in those countries during those events. If you think that the gun owners in America could resist in any meaningful way determined government intervention then that's really cute. You are only allowed to keep them because they are not a threat to the powers that be.

Research is a heady term that is used to loosely, it involves seeking empirical evidence from multiple sources in an effort the reach a most likely conclusion. Before giving it be sure you are following your own advice to do the research and not just making a Frankensteinian monster of various statistics and opinion pieces.

1. Abortion’s are the removing of life from the Womb of a Woman: Calling it something else doesn’t make it any less wrong.
I speak about this from Personal experience.

2. Murder has been called a lot of things to “soften” the image or perception: these attempts don’t bring each victim back. They are still gone.


3. I’ve spent quite a bit of time in 1 of those countries I referenced, & some time in the surrounding countries. I know for fact the people of that country are still living the long term effects of WWII, & I also understand how they got to that point.
The situation wasn’t lost on me then, & it certainly isn’t lost on me now upon further reflection.

I’ve been screamed at in a foreign language with an AK stuck in my face: I knew what it was then, & I also completely understood the context.
I’ll never forget it.

I know I’m supposed to be a spoon feed snotty nosed child, but My perception doesn’t come solely from The Internet: it’s also based upon my experiences.

Hey it's definitely not personal man. I just pointed out what I thought were some flaws in your approach. I'm not sweating you either bud. I think most people would agree that my tone was pretty civil and you failed to address my argument on it's merits. Instead you called me a name!

I didn’t call you a name, I merely said you came off as a Pompous Ass.

I have not been around you in person to know whether or not you are.

See Above.

My last post was addressed to hsell, I should have used the reply feature.

See Much Previous Post.

 

[Bucknut]

I agree it is a societal issue but can't it be both? Imagine our society as a crazy person who has done harm to himself and others with a gun. What would be your first step in trying to help this person out and stop further harm?

That is a very thought-provoking paragraph. I have never thought of it that way. I think what many of us are saying however is not that gun ownership should be an absolutely unregulated right, but that there are already so many of them that we will never ever get rid of them. They will always be here and available to criminals, and we should start any discussion from that standpoint.

 

[hseII]

I agree.
For "hsell" I have an addendum:

Those villages we trapped thru, mowed-down the civilians? We didn't use A-R's..we used AK's because we had to blame the killings on the enemy. That's propaganda. That's what your rightwing sites use. That's what the Russian's do and certainly America responds in kind.
That's a truth of war. Your sowing the seeds of paranoia result it it. Always.

I wasn’t there, & I didn’t have a hand in that, but it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. I know it happened.

I haven’t quoted 1 Rightwing Site, yet somehow you ascertain those are my sites.

Why is that?

I don’t frequent them.

I don’t associate with them.

I certainly don’t contribute to their causes.

So how did you deduce those are “my” sites?

I will assume it is Because I don’t share your views on Privatized Ownership of Firearms, & I also don’t share your Guilt for your past transgressions.

I have my own to bare.

 

[Bucknut]

I like where you're going but personally I don't think it's that absolute, theoretically they do not always have to be here.

Sure they do. As was pointed out earlier, you're gonna need guns to take them away from others, right?

 

[hseII]

Sure they do. As was pointed out earlier, you're gonna need guns to take them away from others, right?

Exactly.

 

[rockettree]

1. Abortion’s are the removing of life from the Womb of a Woman: Calling it something else doesn’t make it any less wrong.
I speak about this from Personal experience.

2. Murder has been called a lot of things to “soften” the image or perception: these attempts don’t bring each victim back. They are still gone.


3. I’ve spent quite a bit of time in 1 of those countries I referenced, & some time in the surrounding countries. I know for fact the people of that country are still living the long term effects of WWII, & I also understand how they got to that point.
The situation wasn’t lost on me then, & it certainly isn’t lost on me now upon further reflection.

I’ve been screamed at in a foreign language with an AK stuck in my face: I knew what it was then, & I also completely understood the context.
I’ll never forget it.

I know I’m supposed to be a spoon feed snotty nosed child, but My perception doesn’t come solely from The Internet: it’s also based upon my experiences.




I didn’t call you a name, I merely said you came off as a Pompous Ass.

I have not been around you in person to know whether or not you are.

See Above.



See Much Previous Post.

That was a passive aggressive name call. It was not relevant to the discussion in any way and was included in your statement as weak attempt to discredit our arguments.

Then again you muddy the waters by inserting a bunch of personal, theocratic nonsense devoid of context into the discussion.

Nearly every negative thing you have accused others in this discussion of doing (profiling and stereotyping, arguing from a place of passion not objectivity, etc, etc) you have yourself done again and again. It almost seems deliberate, are you messing with us?

 

[Bucknut]

Fair enough. I'm just trying to keep things realistic though. There are almost as many guns in this country as people. They will be obtainable until the end of time, legally or not.

 

[rico]

Exactly.

There needs to be a dirt lot at schools where kids can Air their differences & work thru them: 1 on 1, & unarmed.

There is a whole generation of Pansies due to the ignorance of the Liberal School Systems, & the Lack of Parenting.

There’s an even bigger Picture than that, but it seems some don’t want to hear that truth.

God Gawd, did you really just post that. So now liberal schools are to blame for all our gun violence. Tell that to the grown man who laid to waste all the innocence in Las Vegas. Im pretty sure he went to school back in the good old days, long before the liberal school systems, when kids aired their grievances scrapping in the dirt lot. To think that all the pansy Nikolas Cruz needed was a few good brawls out in the parking lot. Fucking please!

Your rhetoric (truth) is not only very ignorant, but also very dangerous.

 

[hseII]

That was a passive aggressive name call. It was not relevant to the discussion in any way and was included in your statement as weak attempt to discredit our arguments.

Then again you muddy the waters by inserting a bunch of personal, theocratic nonsense devoid of context into the discussion.

Nearly every negative thing you have accused others in this discussion of doing (profiling and stereotyping, arguing from a place of passion not objectivity, etc, etc) you have yourself done again and again. It almost seems deliberate, are you messing with us?

Wow.

Now you are trying to interject Psychology 101 into a Tree Care Forum discussion.

I suppose I should retort to somehow proverbially save face, although I prefer to keep my intro to Psychology in the past, where it belongs.

To say someone comes off as something implies they sound a certain way, not that they are.
If I thought you were a Pompous Ass, I’d certainly call you one: I wouldn’t try to cower behind a hunch of Babble.
Maybe it’s a Geographical Thing, I’m not going to Speculate.


Referencing what I learned after talking to many of the ancestors of the people who lived & died during those Atrocities is certainly not theocratic nonsense.


Am I?

 

[rockettree]

Sure they do. As was pointed out earlier, you're gonna need guns to take them away from others, right?

I will preface this by saying that I don't trust the police or the military to always act responsibly.

However they have training programs, they continually monitor the performance of their members and take guns away from those that act irresponsibly and they are an active arm of our government. Recruits are educated in the theory behind what they are doing, the reasons that they are armed and the responsibility they are assuming by arming themselves. Guns in this context make more sense to me than guns in the hands of private citizens who may not be trained, are not subject to performance review and may not understand the greater implications of their firearm.

So you will need guns to confiscate guns but this will be done by highly organized, government entities in the interest of the greater good (at least in theory). The tool is only a part of the problem, the user is an equally important part of the equation

 

[rockettree]

Wow.

Now you are trying to interject Psychology 101 into a Tree Care Forum discussion.

I suppose I should retort to somehow proverbially save face, although I prefer to keep my intro to Psychology in the past, where it belongs.

To say someone comes off as something implies they sound a certain way, not that they are.
If I thought you were a Pompous Ass, I’d certainly call you one: I wouldn’t try to cower behind a hunch of Babble.
Maybe it’s a Geographical Thing, I’m not going to Speculate.


Referencing what I learned after talking to many of the ancestors of the people who lived & died during those Atrocities is certainly not theocratic nonsense.


Am I?

If only you had referenced what you learned in that country, shared some details that were relevant to the discussion, that would have been great. What country are you talking about? Under what circumstances did you find yourself there? How does this pertain to our debate about American gun control issues?

The specific thing you keep referencing, as if it matters in the context of this discussion, that I regard as theocratic nonsense is the abortion issue.

 

[hseII]

If only you had referenced what you learned in that country, shared some details that were relevant to the discussion, that would have been great. What country are you talking about? Under what circumstances did you find yourself there?

The specific thing you keep referencing, as if it matters in the context of this discussion, that I regard as theocratic nonsense is the abortion issue.

Abortion is killing in the literal sense.

Argue that all you want but the definition Once started with to “abort a life”.

Russia.

 

[rockettree]

Hey, I was wrong call that theological nonsense. That was lazy. I recognize there are many varying opinions on the matter, many of which are not influenced by religion. I still think it's irrelevant though.

So do you think that the Russian citizens would have been willing or able to resist the purges if they had their guns?

 

[hseII]

Hey, I was wrong call that theological nonsense. That was lazy. I recognize there are many varying opinions on the matter, many of which are not influenced by religion. I still think it's irrelevant though.

So do you think that the Russian citizens would have been willing or able to resist the purges if they had their guns?

Would they have been able to resist? IDK.

They would have stood a chance: the Finns gave them a Hard time. The Finns still brag about what they did to the Russians during that winter.

It’s not right for any country to do what those countries did.


Most don’t know that Russia annexed part of Finland after the war & made it their own. That is still a sore subject, as it should be.


Back to the subject:
Like most Americans, I don’t care for Bullies.



I’m sure that’s going to throw the “What about Trumps” Out left & right, but listen for a minute: this is the Part the Progressives seem to continue to miss, the Forest for the Trees thing.

Trump blows a lot of hot air, Sure.

But the Clinton Machine was, & is a Bully.

The relevance of this is lost on so many of the Progressives.

They literally bullied their way thru the Governor’s Mansion.

These people were the alternative to Trump: before Bernie ever threw his hat in the ring, these people were going to have the full support of the DNC.



I’m not trying to spin this: I really wish you & Oakwilt would do your homework On this.

At the very least, you’d see a trail of Destruction spanning over 40 years.



Has anyone ever wondered why the last 2 Democratic Presidents & their wives were all 4 once lawyers, & why they do not have a License now?

I know the NeoCons have brought this up many times, but specifically, what caused them to not have their licenses anymore?

You owe it to yourself to find out: all 4 of them.


Every bit of what we have discussed in this thread is somewhat related.

Declining Morals
Rampant Increase in Drug Usage
The systematic destruction of the family & family values
The growing dependence on the Government
The lack of Responsibility
The Lack of Accountability

It’s all because we as a Nation got away from our core.

You can pick & choose things that weren’t better when Wilt was a lad, but as a whole, this country was a better place to live, to raise our kids, to grow old, etc..

What’s changed?

We, the People have changed.

This is the outcome of that change.


Example-
Hey @oakwilt, besides the fact that tide pods weren’t even invented when you were coming up, why don’t you eat tide pods?
Cause you know better.

 

[oakwilt]

Can y'all see how he thinks?

 

[hseII]

Can y'all see how he thinks?

Besides bantering you about yours age?

Seriously,
Many of the youth today don’t have a Positive Role Model for a multitude of reasons, so the youth turn to other older acquaintances who often times aren’t a good role model.

Things were better when you were coming up than they are now.

I don’t see how stating that makes me a bad ol’ NeoCon.

 

[oakwilt]

It's whittled down to Bucknut and hsell pretty much. Standing hard for the far right, endless pleas to dialogue and openness to discuss and digest deadly important issues yet instead we just get:
The Clintons. Lawyers now. Democrats. Abortion.
Congratulations President Putin, I tried my damnest but it looks like you win. On the simple minds anyway.

 

[Leroy]

Besides bantering you about yours age?

Seriously,
Many of the youth today don’t have a Positive Role Model for a multitude of reasons, so the youth turn to other older acquaintances who often times aren’t a good role model.

Things were better when you were coming up than they are now.

I don’t see how stating that makes me a bad ol’ NeoCon.

Sounds like MAGA, I don't believe it. I am glad to live in this time. This is the best time, things will change.

 

[hseII]

It's whittled down to Bucknut and hsell pretty much. Standing hard for the far right, endless pleas to dialogue and openness to discuss and digest deadly important issues yet instead we just get:
The Clintons. Lawyers now. Democrats. Abortion.
Congratulations President Putin, I tried my damnest but it looks like you win. On the simple minds anyway.

Putin is the Enemy.

The Peoples of the R.F. are more similar to everyone else in the world that isn’t in power than you admit.

 

[hseII]

Sounds like MAGA, I don't believe it. I am glad to live in this time. This is the best time, things will change.

The only Constant is Change.