the wonders of useing spliced ropes

tea i've spliced all my zing-its very useful for really quick connect and disconnect:) plus i hate tying those little [bad word] knots i'm too clumsey and it takes me forever to tie them
 
i've almost got my p.i. done but i've run into some sort of problem i cant figure out. when i'm milking the cover in the last step of the splice i'm experancing the core seems to be trying to go deeper in the cover when i milk the thing giving me not only a hard time but a cover bunched eye that is turning out to form smaller than my measurements. when i step back and reevaluate every thing looks right until i milk then the eye bunches right back up made me mad everything was going super smooth until i tried to milk the cover any thoughts to why this might be happening?
 

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Bennet,
You have to keep pressure on BOTH sides of the eye as you're working down, through the crossover all the way to the end.

Think of it like this, the cover and core crisscross and feed into opposite sides of the eye. The tendency is to hold the core tight on the side opposite of the entry point... which sucks the core in deeper. The cover goes in the OTHER side and if you don't keep equal pressure on it, the cover doesn't go as deep as the core and you get a bunched up cover that doesn't sink all the way up to your marker yarn.

You may be able to take the splice apart until the crossover is exposed, zero all the slack out and try it again.

Better yet... ask Nick.
 
thanks i was getting frustrated and my hands were begining to hurt w/ gloves on and i could tell that if the eye han'nt bunched up i would of had a pretty looking eye splice then just as i sat down the bigboss pulled up thank god he did'nt catch me working on that splice or i'd had to sit through some lecture i've heard plenty of times already.any way i also came to the cnoclusion that thats why the milking process was so hard i've almost got it done now bout 6"more to bury and the rope is'nt super tight and milking is a lot easer thanks a mill w/ your invalueable advise
 
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It should be noted that there are "better" splicing directions for that rope, but they are held by Sherrill and last I checked, they wouldn't share them. For now, we have to do what ANSI says and follow the manufacturers recommendations.

love
nick

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i thought so cause thier shlpces seems to be more "compact" than any thing i am able to splice:(
 
I'm at work now, so I can't give the full explanation but...

Okay, the standing part of the core comes up the rope, it goes through the crossover, through the eye, then it becomes the tapered tail that goes back into the rope.

What is happening is that the standing part of the core (and some other things) are grabbing the tapered tail and pulling the tail down deep with the standing part.

You've figured out that it's wrong.

If you were splicing Double Esterlon or Stable Braid, you could play around with this more to really see why and how it happens.

To fix it- you need to push the slack in the cover all the way over the side OPPOSITE where the tail is getting buried. With the cover bunched firmly pinch the cover so you are grabbing the core (or insert an awl or fid THROUGH the rope locking the cover and core together) then pull the tapered tail out a little. This is "zeroing out the eye."

It can be prevented by keeping tension on the eye while running the splice home.

Make sense?

love
nick

ps- so you know- you are starting your double braid splicing with one of the hardest-to-splice polyester double braids known to arborists. It only gets easier after this!
 
;)thats the best thing i've herd all day and this rore has been challenging to say the least but it didd'nt know it was one of the hardest i'm almost done i'll post pics from a diff camera it should be pretty
thanks
 
and i've finally got done to day and it seemed pretty easy,so to speak, and i had only a little bunching in the eye. i just milked the eye toward the splice then held at the entry point and pulled on the eye thus pulling the core back and the bunching slipped away nice and smoothly leaving the eye nice and tight:)thanks for all the tips every one i could not have done it with out everyone's help
 

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i watched a really cool cat do that at geezers and got lucky to remember how he did it. after you stick the needle through leaving a small bit of tail sticking out, about as long as you want the whipping to go then proceed to tightly wrap the thread around the rope until the tail is hidden then go up then down around the rope.
 
Small beeline is a double braid with a vectran core and a blended polyester/technora cover. 7,000 pounds strong (or somewheres around there). I'd have to ask around to see how the vectran core would take to being side-loaded like that.

For now, I recommend you stick with polyester.

love
nick
 
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