Reg
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- Victoria, BC
and I did use the wrench for the first time today on some smaller stuff.
Rope Wrench Ruminations
- Thread starter GibsonTreeCare
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cool....yesterday I dynamic cabled 2- 60 foot lindens, and a soft maple , pruned another maple and 6 Austrian pines.
All the climbing was done on the rope wrench/SRT, my groundy bailed, so I did it all solo
it was all silky-work which was nice, ipod on, customers taking pics and video of my aerial-gymnastics ( as she called it), all done SRT.
This was great when twice I dropped my splicing fid while brummel-splicing the branchsaver
all the way down, get it, all the way back up with little effort, DdRT would have taken a long time and more energy for sure.
All the climbing was done on the rope wrench/SRT, my groundy bailed, so I did it all solo
it was all silky-work which was nice, ipod on, customers taking pics and video of my aerial-gymnastics ( as she called it), all done SRT.
This was great when twice I dropped my splicing fid while brummel-splicing the branchsaver
I think like we have mentioned, DdRT is only used in treework, any other work-at-height profession uses SRT systems of some type.
they even have competitions! check this out
http://www.youtube.com/user/petzlprofessional#p/u/2/GXd7E4YTQ_Q
they even have competitions! check this out
http://www.youtube.com/user/petzlprofessional#p/u/2/GXd7E4YTQ_Q
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- Retired in Minneapolis
It's evident that Petzl has paid attention to arborculture.
This started when they introduced the Pantin. Petzl expected to sell a lot to cavers and other rope access types. After a couple of quarters they found that more Pantins were being sold through arbo vendors. Good marketing means more sales.
This started when they introduced the Pantin. Petzl expected to sell a lot to cavers and other rope access types. After a couple of quarters they found that more Pantins were being sold through arbo vendors. Good marketing means more sales.
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- Retired in Minneapolis
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I dropped my splicing fid while brummel-splicing the branchsaver
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Go to the Goodwill and find some old coiled phone cords. Make tethers for your bits and bobs. Bend the wire into a loop and secure the end into a loop with zipties or constrictor hitches using old throwline.
I dropped my splicing fid while brummel-splicing the branchsaver
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Go to the Goodwill and find some old coiled phone cords. Make tethers for your bits and bobs. Bend the wire into a loop and secure the end into a loop with zipties or constrictor hitches using old throwline.
I use a New Tribe open climbing bucket, works well, it is the fid, it is slippery when it is cold 
good idea though.
good idea though.
I didn't read this whole thread, so I'm not sure if this was said. Since I started climbing SRT with the WR I feel safer because I tie my rope off midline to a porta wrap so in the event that I hurt myself and need to get out of the tree, my groundman can just lower me. That is if i can get my lanyard off first.
Crazy_Jimmy
Participating member
- Location
- Texas
"I think like we have mentioned, DdRT is only used in treework, any other work-at-height profession uses SRT systems of some type."
You ever think there might be a reason why this is true?
You ever think there might be a reason why this is true?
yep, it was easier to learn. then various equipment companies jumped on with all the friction saver technology.
It became synonymous with working in trees, but the advent of friction savers were for 2 reason, to help do less damage to the trees, but for the most part, to make it easier the various pulleys and now the pulleysaver are all to make DdRT easier, because face it, it is very inefficient by design...you move 1 foot for every 2 feet of rope you pull, if you go thru a crotch you are stuck with massive amount of friction, unless you put a redirect in, which may or may not be retrievable without having to go back up thru said crotch and getting it. this makes more work, takes longer and costs more fiscally and physically
Soon some pioneering climbers discovered the SRT really was more efficient.
then the experimenting began, finally culminating the the unicender and subsequently, the singing tree rope wrench.
Anybody who gives it an honest shot and is physically fit enough, will soon discover that they are working more efficiently , faster and with the proper planning, easier
Ever watch the petzl video with Jared Abrojena climbing DRT? he is awesome at it, but for work, it is rumored he is strictly SRT on his own rig
I climbed DdRT for a long time, and I find i get work done faster with less effort now, and that equates to less strain on my body and a heavier wallet...
It became synonymous with working in trees, but the advent of friction savers were for 2 reason, to help do less damage to the trees, but for the most part, to make it easier
the various pulleys and now the pulleysaver are all to make DdRT easier, because face it, it is very inefficient by design...you move 1 foot for every 2 feet of rope you pull, if you go thru a crotch you are stuck with massive amount of friction, unless you put a redirect in, which may or may not be retrievable without having to go back up thru said crotch and getting it. this makes more work, takes longer and costs more fiscally and physically Soon some pioneering climbers discovered the SRT really was more efficient.
then the experimenting began, finally culminating the the unicender and subsequently, the singing tree rope wrench.
Anybody who gives it an honest shot and is physically fit enough, will soon discover that they are working more efficiently , faster and with the proper planning, easier
Ever watch the petzl video with Jared Abrojena climbing DRT? he is awesome at it, but for work, it is rumored he is strictly SRT on his own rig
I climbed DdRT for a long time, and I find i get work done faster with less effort now, and that equates to less strain on my body and a heavier wallet...
RyanCafferky
Been here a while
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- Hood River, Oregon
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As another NW climber who spends a lot of time in big firs I would say the ddrt is probably the way to go for production climbing big conifers unless you have a really good ground crew and trust them completely with your life. As a contract climber who works with many different companies and crews I almost always climb ddrt unless I am ascending and I always set up the ground anchor system before I go up. I will occasionally use a SRT decent system (I'd, eddy, RW, or Gri Gri) if I am doing a removal where I don't want a lot of rope at the base of the tree or if I get a good high shot that I know I won't have to climb above and if I am able to make sure that the back (anchored side) or the line isn't at risk of being cut during the work that I am performing. The awkwardness and constant need of avoiding the anchored side of the rope is one of the main reasons that I don't use SRT very often.
I do work with some crews that I would trust with tying and untying my line at the base of trees but usually there is enough noise and they are busy enough that giving them one more task just to make it so I can climb SRT doesn't seem worth it to me.
When you guys are in P-town next August we'll have to do some climbing and see what method you would choose and perhaps I can be convinced otherwise.
As another NW climber who spends a lot of time in big firs I would say the ddrt is probably the way to go for production climbing big conifers unless you have a really good ground crew and trust them completely with your life. As a contract climber who works with many different companies and crews I almost always climb ddrt unless I am ascending and I always set up the ground anchor system before I go up. I will occasionally use a SRT decent system (I'd, eddy, RW, or Gri Gri) if I am doing a removal where I don't want a lot of rope at the base of the tree or if I get a good high shot that I know I won't have to climb above and if I am able to make sure that the back (anchored side) or the line isn't at risk of being cut during the work that I am performing. The awkwardness and constant need of avoiding the anchored side of the rope is one of the main reasons that I don't use SRT very often.
I do work with some crews that I would trust with tying and untying my line at the base of trees but usually there is enough noise and they are busy enough that giving them one more task just to make it so I can climb SRT doesn't seem worth it to me.
When you guys are in P-town next August we'll have to do some climbing and see what method you would choose and perhaps I can be convinced otherwise.
lumberjackson
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- Portland, OR
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When you guys are in P-town next August we'll have to do some climbing and see what method you would choose and perhaps I can be convinced otherwise.
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Definitely. I've been getting my RW dialed in, and I have found that I like it in the big tall D Firs better than Ddrt. But hey, maybe you can convince me otherwise, Ryan
Why does your ground crew need to tie/untie your climbline?
When you guys are in P-town next August we'll have to do some climbing and see what method you would choose and perhaps I can be convinced otherwise.
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Definitely. I've been getting my RW dialed in, and I have found that I like it in the big tall D Firs better than Ddrt. But hey, maybe you can convince me otherwise, Ryan
Why does your ground crew need to tie/untie your climbline?
countryboypa31
New member
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- PA
If you guys don't trust them tying and untying knots why make it that complicated? I have a sling that they move for me and they attach a biner to a spliced eye. Simple! If you don't have a spliced eye tie the knot yourself and send it down. Again it's as easy as attaching a biner.
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how about a velcro based cambium saver that yoo could "fold around the rope in the crotch. carry a couple w you and install as you go? do i get inventor status now? lol
countryboypa31
New member
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- PA
They have that for belaying and rappelling. You can find it on various sites that sell rock climbing and rappell equipment. Its something i wanna pick up.
Reg
Branched out member
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- Victoria, BC
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As another NW climber who spends a lot of time in big firs I would say the ddrt is probably the way to go for production climbing big conifers unless you have a really good ground crew and trust them completely with your life. As a contract climber who works with many different companies and crews I almost always climb ddrt unless I am ascending and I always set up the ground anchor system before I go up. I will occasionally use a SRT decent system (I'd, eddy, RW, or Gri Gri) if I am doing a removal where I don't want a lot of rope at the base of the tree or if I get a good high shot that I know I won't have to climb above and if I am able to make sure that the back (anchored side) or the line isn't at risk of being cut during the work that I am performing. The awkwardness and constant need of avoiding the anchored side of the rope is one of the main reasons that I don't use SRT very often.
I do work with some crews that I would trust with tying and untying my line at the base of trees but usually there is enough noise and they are busy enough that giving them one more task just to make it so I can climb SRT doesn't seem worth it to me.
When you guys are in P-town next August we'll have to do some climbing and see what method you would choose and perhaps I can be convinced otherwise.
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Afraid to say they got me Ryan. 2 trees is all it took.... theres no going back to the old ways now. I'm still reeling. later.
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As another NW climber who spends a lot of time in big firs I would say the ddrt is probably the way to go for production climbing big conifers unless you have a really good ground crew and trust them completely with your life. As a contract climber who works with many different companies and crews I almost always climb ddrt unless I am ascending and I always set up the ground anchor system before I go up. I will occasionally use a SRT decent system (I'd, eddy, RW, or Gri Gri) if I am doing a removal where I don't want a lot of rope at the base of the tree or if I get a good high shot that I know I won't have to climb above and if I am able to make sure that the back (anchored side) or the line isn't at risk of being cut during the work that I am performing. The awkwardness and constant need of avoiding the anchored side of the rope is one of the main reasons that I don't use SRT very often.
I do work with some crews that I would trust with tying and untying my line at the base of trees but usually there is enough noise and they are busy enough that giving them one more task just to make it so I can climb SRT doesn't seem worth it to me.
When you guys are in P-town next August we'll have to do some climbing and see what method you would choose and perhaps I can be convinced otherwise.
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Afraid to say they got me Ryan. 2 trees is all it took.... theres no going back to the old ways now. I'm still reeling. later.
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Reg-
As another NW climber who spends a lot of time in big firs I would say the ddrt is probably the way to go for production climbing big conifers unless you have a really good ground crew and trust them completely with your life. As a contract climber who works with many different companies and crews I almost always climb ddrt unless I am ascending and I always set up the ground anchor system before I go up. I will occasionally use a SRT decent system (I'd, eddy, RW, or Gri Gri) if I am doing a removal where I don't want a lot of rope at the base of the tree or if I get a good high shot that I know I won't have to climb above and if I am able to make sure that the back (anchored side) or the line isn't at risk of being cut during the work that I am performing. The awkwardness and constant need of avoiding the anchored side of the rope is one of the main reasons that I don't use SRT very often.
I do work with some crews that I would trust with tying and untying my line at the base of trees but usually there is enough noise and they are busy enough that giving them one more task just to make it so I can climb SRT doesn't seem worth it to me.
When you guys are in P-town next August we'll have to do some climbing and see what method you would choose and perhaps I can be convinced otherwise.
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Afraid to say they got me Ryan. 2 trees is all it took.... theres no going back to the old ways now. I'm still reeling. later.
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another convert to the future, and the future is now
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Reg-
As another NW climber who spends a lot of time in big firs I would say the ddrt is probably the way to go for production climbing big conifers unless you have a really good ground crew and trust them completely with your life. As a contract climber who works with many different companies and crews I almost always climb ddrt unless I am ascending and I always set up the ground anchor system before I go up. I will occasionally use a SRT decent system (I'd, eddy, RW, or Gri Gri) if I am doing a removal where I don't want a lot of rope at the base of the tree or if I get a good high shot that I know I won't have to climb above and if I am able to make sure that the back (anchored side) or the line isn't at risk of being cut during the work that I am performing. The awkwardness and constant need of avoiding the anchored side of the rope is one of the main reasons that I don't use SRT very often.
I do work with some crews that I would trust with tying and untying my line at the base of trees but usually there is enough noise and they are busy enough that giving them one more task just to make it so I can climb SRT doesn't seem worth it to me.
When you guys are in P-town next August we'll have to do some climbing and see what method you would choose and perhaps I can be convinced otherwise.
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Afraid to say they got me Ryan. 2 trees is all it took.... theres no going back to the old ways now. I'm still reeling. later.
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another convert to the future, and the future is now
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- Perrysburg, Ohio, U.S.A.
Amen to that.
all is well in the universe
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- Oakland, CA
leafguy, it oughta work fine with vortex. On smaller trees i use arbormaster (another 1/2 in.) with the retractable pin and it works great, easy to grip. I have a little bushing that goes around the retractable pin for when I use the tachyon - that way I don't need to adjust the wrench every time I switch between ropes. I just have to keep from losing the bushing, hmmmm.
pete
pete
