Rope Wrench Ruminations

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My opinion, for the sake of simplicity say your TIP is your tie in point which is the point at which your rope is tied in. Any rope between you and your tie in point should be monitored constantly and sharp things kept far away.

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Correction noted. Paul.
 
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"I feel the only thing that going to mess with it is a helicopter ( joke ) and in that scenario I guess I am just one unfortunate dude."

Or someone in the tree using a chainsaw with one hand! I'm sorry I had to be that guy.

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As I said caught with my pants down, I was messing around last night and picked the wrong picture, oops my bad and I just changed it but it does'nt do it instantly. Paul.
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Oryou could Stan on a chair and tie the Basal tie. I use my ground person and I trust her to tie it back up for me. I don't see why they would have chainsaws anywhere near any rope. Its kind of fun figuring out a good Single Rope Climbing system. Reg, it sounds like your problem is not being able to access the tops of those trees. You need more fire power. Check out the cross bows or those air cannon shooters. Coompoind bow? 150 seems doable some kind of way. I never need to go higher than I can throw here

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I am hearing you I am convinced you dudes win hands down, but believe me letting someone else tie it ( for me ) is going too far. I sometimes see the worst happening, one of my character defects. Paul.
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Me personally would NEVER work with a base tied SRT system...

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Wow! I do hope that what I have been saying about base ties has not been misunderstood.
I use base ties 90% of the time, if not more. In their simplest form they are very, very fast. On their more complex side they can be used to alter load and force in ways not possible with a choked top tie. With forethought they make ground-based rescue or at least rescue assist a possibility.
There are potential risks in having the down line in the work zone, so when you can, tie off to another tree. Even if you can't tie off to a separate tree, removing it from the immediate area greatly reduces the potential for inadvertent contact.

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For me when tying off my ground anchor I like to install redundant backups that gives me the piece of mind that if something were to fail there is always a backup.
Example: My ground anchor setup is a mini porty on a whoopie sling, with a friction hitch above the porty and with the tail of my rope (after being locked off to the porty) I tie a butterfly and connect that to the porty with a krab as well.
There are multiple back ups but still in a rescue situation I can be lowered quite quickly.
I also make sure my ground crew understands the setup prior to me ascending the tree, if either I need them to give me more rope in the system or I need to be lowered.
 
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For me when tying off my ground anchor I like to install redundant backups that gives me the piece of mind that if something were to fail there is always a backup.
Example: My ground anchor setup is a mini porty on a whoopie sling, with a friction hitch above the porty and with the tail of my rope (after being locked off to the porty) I tie a butterfly and connect that to the porty with a krab as well.
There are multiple back ups but still in a rescue situation I can be lowered quite quickly.
I also make sure my ground crew understands the setup prior to me ascending the tree, if either I need them to give me more rope in the system or I need to be lowered.

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Wow now I am liking this setup even more, having the advantage of rescue is mighty cool. Heard about this before, but this setup is very good I am learning keep it up. Paul.
 
Ok, wrap your head around this one. Use a sling with the rope running thru a GriGri/Eddy/Cinch at the base. Above the device(s) put a kleimheist and attach it to the carabiner that attached the GriGri to the sling. Now you have a back-up to the Grigri. In the event of a rescue, use the kleimheist as a footloop, step down in the footloop to releive pressure on the GriGri, attach the GriGri to the rescuer's harness, ascend the rope using the kliemheist as a foot loop, once you get to the climber, attach the kleimheist above the climbers set-up and then attach the cord to the rescuer's harness, lower both to the ground with the GriGri.
I call it the 2:1 counter ascent rescue.

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Grahame McMahon has a real easy, slick base tie system that I employ all the time, it can be undone with a single groundy and the climber lowered with no extra gear.
 
aerial rescues are good in theory, but I like to be prepared to handle emergencies myself and get out myself, if it comes to the point that someone is coming up after you, it is likely a body recovery, harsh, but chillingly true.
 
I've held my thoughts for a while know. First Swingdude, There are many different ways to tie in, you don't need to have a base tie off. I use 3 different tie in techniques depending on the tree and the work required.

Regs, I know exactly where your coming from. We have done storm damage work in White Pine trees the last two winters. most being in the 100-120 range. I never hit my final TIP and am normally doing multiple trees before hitting the ground. (most in one shot was 10) I've single lined the trees both years. To do so you either need a really long rope, 2 ropes, or an available ground guy. If a ground guy is not always available Ddrt might be your best option. One of the downsides to SRT is not being able to pull your line easily while up in the tree (with out aid from a ground person) and continue on. So for what your describing, without using a more complicated system your probably better off with what your already doing.

Saying that i will try my best to describe the easiest solution (you will need the Quick Release pin though) If you don't have it or don't want to get it this option isn't much of an option at all:
What i would suggest is set an access line as you already do. Ascend it whatever manner you prefer, taking your climbing line with you. You then continue to ascend same as you do now alternating between lanyard and climbing line till you reach your TIP. Once you reach your TIP install the rope wrench. Then tie into your TIP with either a running bowline or a Monkey Tail Attach the tail of your line either to the Bowline or in the picture of the monkey tail to the biner (this is used to retrieve the system) I would also say i use a cabium saver in conjuction, makes retrieval smoother and i don't like sap. Your now in a loop system. This is why a quick release is required. Once you reach your next TIP or the bottom of the loop. Lanyard in remove the Rope Wrench and your climbing knot and pull the tail to retrive your tie in method.
The change of TIP is not as quick, with a little practise it doesn't take too long. In my opinion the time saved using SRT makes up for the time it takes to change TIP's.
This is just one method of many.

That was very long winded and kind of complicated. Hope its understandable. I want to make a Video of different tie in techniques but don't know how soon i'll be able to get to do it.
 
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aerial rescues are good in theory, but I like to be prepared to handle emergencies myself and get out myself, if it comes to the point that someone is coming up after you, it is likely a body recovery, harsh, but chillingly true.

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Dude we are on the same page, from my spearfishing and diving days, I never felt sure about the buddy system. I was always making sure I was always prepared for the worst like running out of air being the most critical. In trees I am looking at it from your point of view Cary because if I happen to wait for rescue it might be too late. I might get some criticism here but I am a big man and am willing to take it and maybe I might learn something in the process. As we say down here " me skin thick". Paul.
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We are going to have a SRT demo this year at PennDel Shade Tree Symposium! Are you attending?

Donny Coffey
 
I wish I could say, but I can't really disclose that since the brochure isn't out yet. Seeing the outline for the demo, I can say that for some of you it will be very informative and for others that have been using SRT for a while, it will be a chance to swap ideas and techniques.
 
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Reg, it sounds like your problem is not being able to access the tops of those trees. You need more fire power. Check out the cross bows or those air cannon shooters. Coompoind bow? 150 seems doable some kind of way. I never need to go higher than I can throw here

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I dont really have any problems Kevin, just a few inconveniences at present....but what I want to avoid most is creating a bunch of new ones. I agree though that more firepower would make things a whole lot slicker, in turning a 2 part contrasting ascent into 1. Thanks for that.

and thanks coutryboypa, I hope you find time to make those videos.
 
Whatever challenges you may find in those big trees, I'm sure you'll resolve them quick enough. I would love a chance to climb around in those things.
 
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...In my opinion the time saved using SRT makes up for the time it takes to change TIP's.
This is just one method of many...

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Exactly. It is exciting to climb SRT in many ways. I especially like problem solving. It gives my aging mind some exercise.
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Whatever challenges you may find in those big trees, I'm sure you'll resolve them quick enough. I would love a chance to climb around in those things.

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The views at least make the hike worth while....
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