Reducing trees is unnatural?

"As for the ginko the next app should involve restoring coarser texture." mmm i kinda get the texture analogy but the question remains, why not do half of the clipping cuts and some of the deep cuts in one visit, instead of rounding over first.
not clear on the need for 'extension prevention' when it's load reduction that needs to happen.

Another reference you might want to check is Shigo and his tirades against topping and tipping. Only SEVERE defects down low would justify this loss of natural form.
Still concerned that this is overreaction to a perceived risk from wounds that may be no strength loss at all.

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First thing I want to ask anyone is I really would love to know how ginko reacts to reduction. We both have a few big cuts and a few more here on yours perhaps? Again not a bad thing depending on ginko behaviour and suscepatability, but I limited bigger diameter cuts. I think I'll door knock at first opportunity and check wounds and shoot habits. For free because it's to improve on my inexperience of ginko reduction. Hopefully land the job while I'm at it.
Also wanted to correct a term I used. The stems bend and CORKSCREW. This is much different from bend and twist. Shigo also mentions a lot about co doms and how trees grow themselves into problems. And how it takes a long time to get out of those problems.
Guy, Yours is a good alternative method, perhaps like drop crotch or reduction via thinning. I did make some cuts at some of those crotches but chose other stems to remain. And it is very difficult to see diameter and stem directions in a 2d photo. That is why I like the red lines as a flexible guide but not as a solid prescription as you mention. There are several differences I want to discuss. And yes my prescription is much closer to a round over on a scale. Again, the top pics show that I followed shape, I didn't dictate it. Anyway, it's all how you look at it.
We also made different trade offs. At a few crotches you chose the upright to remain as a trade for creating an elbow. I chose the parallel reaching to remain, avoiding an elbow but risking spread. But to counter that spread somewhat, I reduced the remaining stem with a small nodal reduction cut. I also believe in height control and not just horizontal spread( see elm pic from Toronto ice). I do know that you and others favour the upright cut and I also often choose that. Just not always. I would say we all choose it when retaining the reaching limb would cause an elbow. Not that elbows are that bad. But not ideal combined with 1-1 ratio removal cut.
So I would be completely comfortable calling mine a round over/reduction hybrid. But 'systematic taper improvement app' I like better.
Similarities to reduction:
Cuts are nodal
Cuts are reducing inner branches (inside of dotted round over line)
Some larger uprights were removed far lower than dotted line
Similarity to round over:
1.Heading-LIKE cuts (but not internodal) - reduction cuts
2.Then instead of leaving entire two branches at heading cut retained, they were reduced, creating another stem split, and also a denser leading edge in time. Unnatural looking but trade off to slow extension, Improves taper. Reduces FUTURE and current load and sail. Unnatural looking temporarily, as you can now see new vertical lead off heading cuts. Now reduce, remove and retain shoots-Gilman.
Reasons for heading like cuts: I didn't want to make the four inch crotch cuts to leave a long slender 4" retained and continuing extension. And as you can see, choosing the first available crotch from the leading edge means a three to six inch cut. And further out from that it's either stem trace pruning or heading like. I chose heading like, not that I like it a whole lot. I chose heading-like reduction cuts in order to make an average larger cut around 2 inch instead of 3.5-4.5. Sounds like a small difference but the wound surface area exposed is quadruple with 4"vs2".

Some advantages to your concept by red lines and by your written words:
More natural looking finish
Coarse texture finish
Easier application
Some advantages to my concept:
Slows extension to produce a smaller crown over long term and therefore more tapered in all stems.
Maximizes risk reduction while minimizing injury to the tree
Significantly reduces size and sail instantly and long term (changes habit). but with medium cuts and only a few large cuts (3"-4")

Both apps require a revisit, yes mine sooner because I'm aiming to slow the crowns leading edge more than the natural app
I also want to share some Shigo's quotes. I finally started 'A New Tree Biology
Under 'trade offs' in the back dictionary:
'The benefits of the treatments...must be weighed against the injury caused by the treatment'
'A single treatment can not suddenly correct a problem'
He also mentions frequent applications to slowly fix problems but I can't find it again.
And in the topping chapter
'If you start early, you can train most trees...to regulate size by periodic pruning...Then, even some small topping cuts do not cause serious injury'
He is referring to bonsai and training young trees but I'm scaling this to large trees in a sense that I am starting early on a very long term plan to avoid large failure. In this specimen ginko ideally applications should be made five years apart for a while then spread further over time. But constantly improving taper and with lighter weighted apps every time. Creating a structure that is not natural but not unnatural either. A structure that will be capable of handling the heavier storms and changes in surrounding. The soil is limited and likely will be reduced. so limiting the crown to suit is a good way to balance resources.
The ginko will outlive the spruce row on the side of the prevailing wind.
'Be on the alert for edge trees. Trees that had competition taken away. Trees that have new space.'-Shigo.
So my ideal 150 year plan is to maintain this tree at a slower than natural growth rate, by altering but not ruining its nature. Vitality also goes up when growth goes down. This has been shown with growth inhibitors, which were suggested to me by a few as a way to compliment reduction pruning. It's a great question. Can growth inhibitors assist with crown reduction?

In this ginko tree (not the elm below) an ideal goal imo is to increase the structural strength as much as possible. Forget about guessing. Too much for an average storm but hopefully enough to put risk of failure very close to zero in the eyes of a 150 year outlook. If large failure and woundage is avoided then the tree will live longer by avoiding removal due to risk or perceived risk. Without reduction failure is a question of time not a question of how risky it is right now. It might be fine right now but in time that will change. Nature changes it in terms of growth and reproduction for success. We can change it in terms of careful progressive control and longevity for success.
Shear madness. I have to admit that's hilarious.
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That elm is a great example of >50% crown loss = a very manageable tree, despite ISA/UF myths to the contrary.

Also the UK myth that >surface area = better response would not pan out here; those shredded ends need cleaning for closure. Otherwise,elm ice paint 1503.webp yes our Mother did a good partial roundover there. Just a bit of sprawl reduction, and away it will go!

Inserting commas, and making shorter paragraphs, would help comprehensibility. Slow down, take a breath once in a while.
 
Yes I noticed in their new pamphlet for the public on storms something to the effect 'if your tree has more than fifty percent of its branches then you should consult with an arborist'. So what's that mean if there is less just cut it down. There is so much more to it than that. Compare just third peels of for a 10 foot section vs all foliage bearing branch loss but without large wounds. Most hardwoods can bounce back. Anyway, putting a percentage on that is a big mistake. And yes without sprawl reduction these elms are going to be a long term problem as they held reaching horizontals which now have new space to dominate into.


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"pamphlet for the public on storms something to the effect 'if your tree has more than fifty percent of its branches then you should consult with an arborist'. "

That's close; "...Are major limbs still remaining and the trunk unbroken? Are at least 50 percent of the tree’s branches still intact? If you answered yes to these questions, there is a good chance for complete recovery..." It could be worse, but the message that most readers probably infer is: >50% branches not intact = not restorable = kill it, "death with dignity"
Which we know is incorrect.

"Anyway, putting a percentage on that is a big mistake." Yes, another unscientific 'rule of thumb' that works against the original ISA mission of Preservation.

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The first photo shows the before. To compare properly for the left tree, look at the first and third pic. Texture is improved. The two Norway maples were done once already and I think they didn't need another app yet, but the client (a friend and experienced tree guy) wanted to 'keep these under control because they are getting to big and tall'. They are close to the house and many people think size now has to be limited or reduced. I agree for structural reasons to slow the growth but not limit it.
So I did the one on the left and he wanted a heavier app and worked with me for the one on the right. I didn't want to go that hard as I think the tree will now over react. Still manageable but requires sooner visit. I think the left tree could now go 5-7 years. The right one only 2-3 due to expected shoot growth. But you can see two levels. The right one is more unnatural looking and the reaction will be even more unnatural looking. And only with slightly more decrease in size. So now it will jump back to a larger size, cancelling out the size reduction achieved. I tried to tell him that the tree is only capable of a small amount of change. Either way at least the cuts were kept below 4". But the nature of some of the large cuts will likely cause problems in the long run on this species. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1426043068.735378.webp


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Considering species, location, and objective, I understand and agree! Nice documentation of 2 options. That last pic is indeed ugly; the pushback by the tree will be fierce. I do like the way you went for a smaller wound, instead of slanting the cut more. Despite the old textbook image, it looks right, and in line with the 2007 study.

"slow the growth but not limit it." Can you please expand on this? I think I know what you are saying, but I'm not positive.
This looks like a good example of a compromise on job objective, when a client will not be moved from an unfortunate (imo) goal like an absolute restriction in height, aka "it's too tall".

That makes the roundover approach inevitable. Whether or not it's sustainable for the left tree may depend on the survival of the interior growth.
 
The left tree is less of a concern to him so it will likely be growing taller against his ideal, but tolerable. The right tree is even likely the same but he wants me back to keep it at the same height (limit growth to a specific height). I'm hoping he sees by the reaction that the left tree is not going to stop size increase easily. Periodically reducing height will decrease (but not cap) overall growth in size and increase taper and strength as well. That's my goal here as not only a compromise but also to create another tree (left) that is stronger than naturally occurs.
And yes the round over might be the future for the left tree, but I would try to thin and re texture the leading edge of the canopy. This would let light in and create inner foliage from adventitious buds.


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PROGRESS IN PRUNING AND URBAN TREE REPRODUCTION and SHIGO

As Shigo said, it's not about proving the old ways wrong. They did what they could with what they had. They had the same good intentions. They thought flush cuts were good because wound wood was quick and thick. Can't blame them. Plus it looked better. I'm still getting my head around that. Part of me sees beauty in function. And we understand the function of proper collar cuts. Or do we completely?
Shigo then goes on to show what we have learned about wound dressings and flush cuts. I'm glad i didn't have to live through the flush cuts and topping of his time.
Perhaps that is what we need to remember as we criticize. When we get it, remember that it is good intent. And when we give it, remember not to feel bad. Like no question is a bad question. There is good and better. And there isn't worse, because like a bad question, the answer still teaches the asker. So the point is don't feel bad when you give it or when you get it. I know I'm still working on that.
Just by reading Shigo, I think he knows that the arboriculture science and practice will change and needs to. It will always need to. I hope and think he knew how much he added to that change. I think he'd actually be happy with some of the progress we've made. Not that we've proved him wrong. We have lived in a different time and swayed a very small portion of his theory only slightly.
He was very anti- topping. And very pro natural looking. And wanted trees to die with dignity. These theories are only slightly changed. Or are they? Topping and retrenchment are almost the same in how they look. Topping applied to good trees does the tree no dignity, except for a very few good reasons (pics to come). (Airport required removal. Trees retained and reduced. Could stay or create replanting by law of 4-6 trees during development. ). Shigo I suspect would have liked that. His intention and passion is obvious.
Topping is wrong when there is a good tree and no reasonable objective.
Retrenchment is an excellent solution for trees with high likelihood of failure. Where there is an opportunity with no target or a target and consistent monitoring*. Where the seeds can continue to succeed the species. Where a tree can be less of a tree but not useless in the fact that it supplies so much to an ecosystem. Where a tree can be planted close by, and nursed in so many ways by the retrenched tree above.
Thanks Alex Shigo, for paving the roads. And we will continue to pave and build on and patch the roads you only roughed in. Remember that these roads have an unreachable end, or no end. An end of idealism.? Or is it an infinite road? some bridges we are still far from capable of building. Without the end in sight if there is one. But we can see the road ahead and must use the rear view mirror.
I believe most of this post to be useful in all areas of science and practice. Not just in arboriculture. Unless the universe is infinite. I'd guess it is. So that science would be infinite. Just speculation. The point is I think we are only a tenth or one one hundredth of the way down the road of arboriculture.
Communication is key as we practitioners progress side by side with science. I wonder if it is lacking or missing. Missing as in broken telephone, not as in non existent. A lack of clearly defined and abundant terminology. Thanks Guy and others for changing and working on that. Are we missing good experiments every day in our work. I've got some experiments in mind but I'm not a scientist. Not that we need to be. We just need to report observations and conclusions.
*regarding constant monitoring: if a tree has no target, retrenchment is a no brainer. But the idea of retrenching risk trees near a target causes a lot of NECESSARY argument. In time I could see the laws in place that might help. The client is the risk holder. Arborists can die or move or retire or not be good with scheduling like me. So they could be left by law with document x to state that this tree is carried by the home insurance. That risk has been addressed and reduced but needs constant monitoring. I have left only a handful of trees in this state. A state that has small and hard to measure perimeters. I've only left a handful like this and I remember them. But I left the client knowing it was there responsibility to not only observe the changes in the tree, but to call for assessment annually. It could be shown that this annual assessment is of less cost than the annual value of a tree. That's not dignity putting a value on a tree. But hey, a person is worth about 0-5 million. I hate to start that at zero. Just seems a sad reality.
So the point is, when a house sells, document x should be passed at the time of sale and the tree should pass or fail by arborist opinion (ideally two arborists-one from each bias). Like certifying an old car. New brake lines are like a cable in a tree, most of the time they prevent failure.
The new homeowner may at that time cut the retrenched tree. No problem, remember the one we planted underneath. It's structure and establishment is superior compared to an open grown bush tree. It's been growing underneath this old beast for ten years, with flying colors. This is reproduction of the canopy, not remove and replant.
All this and all I wanted was to post the befores for this walnut I'm going up. Photos wouldn't post from the phone so I'll post later and without speculating for an hour.
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Today's Black walnut before
Client wanted clearance from house and overall reduction for leaf stain reasons
I wanted to reduce overall for storm reasons. Win win. Tree and client.
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After pruning with hyauchi all out of 9' A ladder. Three or four bottom limbs. 30-40 cuts. Under 2.5"
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After climbing for 2.5 hours.
Worked on tree on left as well
All 20 foot and 15 foot pole saw(hyauchi)
70-100 cuts
Under 2.5". Mostly under 1.5"
Phone sends pics from home but not from the middle of nowhere
Cuts made on left even though protection from left walnut. Right walnut much better condition and likely to experience new space and exposure when left tree is no longer there. Left walnut significant die back and deadwood.


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Reducing trees is unnatural. Take 2 (in improved, not correct English [emoji3]) lots of commas

risk, aesthetics and Longevity for FOR SOFT HARDWOODS and Locusts etc.

Soft hardwoods with spreading crowns make up the majority of our urban canopy in Ontario.
Reduction with the purpose to mitigate risk, but also to improve or maintain longevity, must involve careful yet intense application. Careful in that reduction cuts are under 2- 3" diameter, depending on species and vitality. With small and medium cuts, we can still achieve great improvements. Especially over time. Intense in that, often, the whole leading edge is influenced with thinning and reduction cuts. The key is to utilize all cut types.
Codominant stems on very young trees can be removed or significantly reduced. With medium and large neglected codoms we can only make small adjustments. Large adjustment over the long term, if we invest the time. If the problem grew for 15 years it will likely take 4 applications over 15 more years to 'correct' it. Especially to correct it without causing aesthetic and longevity damage. Improvement of the codom and overall structure can be achieved sooner than correction. Ratio issues are much the same as codoms. The biggest problem with ratio is when it combines with spacing, often choking the central leader (five 12 inch stems at one point, usually 5-8' off the ground). We need to think more of where the canopy is going. We need to think less about correcting what is already established structure. A biologically vulnerable structure. We can improve or even correct trees with non invasive cuts over time. 'correction' involving large cuts is only a temporary correction in the structure, and likely to cause a permanent aesthetic issue. It's invasive. Reduction cuts over 4-6" are often damaging to the point where longevity is reduced.
Reduction should be intense, in that generally, the whole leading edge is worked. Don't forget the option of temporary cuts which leave a node,but not a leader (heavier app necessity). The leader will come from the latent bud at the node. The leading edge might not all be reduced but it should at least be thinned where it is not reduced in order to balance the application. Reduction here, and nothing there is a good start or first app, but it's unbalanced, which does matter scientifically, we just haven't proved it yet. Natural application is the best looking and often enough to achieve a lower risk. A heavier risk reduction application involves the removal of even more terminal buds, causing a heavier tree response, and ideally a sooner visit. Sometimes this can still be applied in a natural looking way.
If risk is aimed to be greatly reduced, a sooner visit is better than an instant overdose. An overdose is also often followed by an over reaction from the tree. Over reactions can be dealt with and sometimes occur after proper heavy reduction.
In rare cases, a very heavy dose is required in one application in a tree which displays very significant decay or an existing condition of natural retrenchment. The goal is to significantly reduce risk, monitor and reapply if necessary until removal. And hopefully removal won't be for a long time if all goes well.
Imagine the tree as a clock. Twelve is the leader, usually. Heavy, reaching limbs between 2:00 and 4:00 are usually a priority for reduction. But between 12 and 2 is where the highest wind velocity is AND at usually a higher leverage point. This area often seems to receive the least application. The leader may be thinned or may be reduced, but in a thorough application usually something should be applied to the leader. In soft Maples the area between 10-2 is often flat topped. If we consider where the tree is headed we can aim for a more conical top. Shigo referred to this good structure as pointy. The art of bonsai utilizes triangular tops. Can we learn more from bonsai? An ancient art and science of making trees beautiful AND longer living?
I believe the best dose is one that is applied very frequently and very lightly. Think about it. Little influences all the time makes a big influence over a long time. Like with kids or dogs. Not that we can apply light thins annually. But light reduction every 3-5 years will always outperform overdosing every 10 years. If I had to go ten as a cycle I'd still apply medium reduction to improve problems knowing that the heavier app creates bigger problems than it solves, especially for stressed trees not as capable of compartmentalization. Overdose can create an over reaction which theoretically requires a visit in the next five years anyway. Large reduction cuts have no collar, the stem that remains was the one with the collar. (Heads up: Mt. Albert to English translation required) Reduction cut of a 2.5" stem, to leave a 1" remaining is better than a 5" reduction cut to leave a 2" remaining. After just two years the 1" remainder is likely now 2.5 inches, while the 2" is not likely 5" yet and probably having a harder time compartmentalizating. Trees with good vitality can handle 5 inch reduction cuts to a two inch remainder, but it will also likely cause a problem in the long run.

These full crown, long term ideas are not always practical and more often only the risk of property damage is mitigated, while the risk to the tree itself is not valued enough. Unless you teach the client the value. They often listen. And a few arborists argue that reduction is often unnecessary. The urban tree has grown in an unnatural, civilized environment. Often with spreading branches from a nursery topped sapling. So if we civilize some of these via reduction, we'll have a canopy with a diverse level of strength. There is no such thing as a tree that is too strong. I often call unpruned trees neglected. They aren't neglected, they're natural trees in an unnatural environment. They are not incorrect either, they are unimproved, and that's our fault. We can get this urban canopy civilized, by improving the tree slowly and steadily to a point of high quality and long longevity. To a point of Low risk AND beautiful, bold, and strong aesthetics. Not tall, slender, vulnerable beauty. Leave that to the forest.

Now and again I will try to post a new edit on reduction theory. I will try to be more relative. more understandable, and more applicable.
Thanks for reading
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Common Reduction for average soft hardwoods: Terminal tightening and systematic taper improvement,
'how to'
(The above walnut is also a bit of a 'how to')
I tried my best to avoid theory and jargon.
I'm likely missing something here too and I may edit later.
Definitions:
Reduction cut: a cut larger than the remaining stem.
Removal cut: a cut smaller than the remaining stem.
Terminal: any bud at the tip of any stem.
1. Assess the tree to determine the weight, the detail and the thoroughness of the app. A longer cycle requires a very thorough app. Thoroughness is measured by the amount of terminals cut. With long cycles, the heavy thoroughness is more important than increasing cut size.
keep in mind dose is also weighed by how often you'll prune. Determine if it is a complete or partial crown reduction needed to satisfy the objective.
Weight of app is often measured by foliage reduction as a percent. Not bad but keep in mind it is also set by top end of the cut diameter range. 1-3 inch top end for most trees. Any bigger is getting into retrenchment, where injury is traded for significant load reduction.
Cut diameters are smaller (1-2" top end) when:
-tree is slow grower
-tree is stressed or vigour is low
-dosing will be more frequent (The best dose I believe is a light, full crown app, more like a thin, and applied every three years on a softer tree. Highly influential to the leading edge over time. 2nd best and cheaper is a half tree partial app every two years. I apply full medium app often, with no return almost as likely as return in five years. Oops derailing)
-tree is poor compartmentalizer
-tree is low to medium risk
-risk is not decay related
2. Break the tree into work areas. The 'head of each 6-8"stem might be a work area. So a 40 inch tree with three 16 inch stems might have 6-10 work areas.
3. Determine the biggest cut locations. From each work position, make the large cuts first, reducing the strongest, furthest reaching terminals by 6-12 feet. A two inch cut is often ten feet long.
4. Then make the secondary cuts. 3-6 feet long. 1/2-1" diameter. Some of these are reduction cuts, applied to the leads now set to take over. With a more frequent app, these cuts could be made next time. (Next time, the dosage may be as thorough, but will have a smaller top end diameter). Other reduction cuts are applied to more inner branches, not to remove them but to reduce them. Also, some thinning cuts should be made. (Removal cuts in the outer limits of the canopy). Reduction can and should be seen as a thin/reduce hybrid. Often the removal/thin cuts are made just below reduction cuts to help single out the new lead to dominate.
5. Then make the itty bitty 0-3 feet long cuts to ramp up thoroughness on a longer pruning cycle. These cuts are hardly cuts. More like tip influences and extension prevention. (Often causing a handful of shoots to be reduced further down next time). Often removing as little as one foot, single year shoots. Applied to reduce the crown limit even more and to shorten the inner branches. Also allows light to lower and inner foliage as a temporary retrenchment effect. These cuts will often change the natural look, but in trade for slowing the canopy edge. So balance and eye out the necessity of these cuts.
6 Then move to each work area and apply the same process, possibly increased slightly where structural issues are outstanding and over a target.

Tips:
-Remember to maintain shape, don't fight it too much. Allow the tree to be odd a little if that prevents large cuts
-Ramp up only slightly for codom suppression. No need to try correct in one app. Cuts are injuries so do not surpass the prescribed cut diameter limit.
-we aren't looking for a correct tree, we are looking for a stronger tree. If it doesn't fail, it's a quality tree, correct or not.
-remember to forget a lot about what you learned. This is not tree training. Main leads in decurrent (spreading multi stemmers) should be reduced/thinned. Everything in a soft hardwood can be made stronger. Some limbs are weighted differently in order to favour. But to reduce one side of a narrow 1:1 crotch to start a leader is a problem. Reduce the risk of BOTH tearing down. Then favour on the SECOND app. Oops, derailing
-maintain texture. Or increase it. Holes in a canopy aren't ideal texture but add to texture. Better than holes is indentations. The new terminals should be at and well inside the edge. And the edge shouldn't be to well defined.
- with highly textured trees like walnut and cottonwood, try to reduce more than just what sticks out. Also reduce the branches that didn't originally stick out.

if this sounds like a light app them remember:
- time is on our side. Each app will compound taper improvement and therefore strength.
-2 inch cuts are often twelve feet long, that is a lot of leverage reduction, especially accompanied by a few small cuts
- 100-400 cuts can be made, tightening the whole crown, thinning or reducing with large cuts (4-6) inch will address whole limb risks, and whole tree risks, but leaves many remaining large branches vulnerable to failure. The large cuts may also lead to long term injury and stress. The large cuts may lead to structural issues twenty or thirty years later.
- large reduction cuts are invasive, smaller ones are semi invasive, creating small issues the tree can likely deal with.

My question:
When is the best time for this semi invasive practice.?
My educated guess is now, late March is best. April not bad maybe better. More able to react? Not may or June, maybe July, August better. September good ??? December January not as good?
???
Species specific but the growing season cutting theory is growing on me.


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I almost made it through the paragraphs. I like your seasonality theory: early summer and early winter are less preferable, late growing season may be best to reduce the whole tree system, but timing is seldom critical.

In general I like to ID and leave some branches totally unpruned. It's easy to get a little manic with the clipping, terminal tightening, and symmetry, at the expense of natural habit.
But overall I like your system.
 
Yes I agree. And as I've said, the best looking reduction is the natural app. One that leaves some terminals at the trade of a slight increase in long term risk. But if maximum strength gain is the objective, especially necessary in softer trees, then compete terminal tightening is ideal. Furthermore, the natural look can be restored with follow up applications. Here is today's spruce before:
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I'm going to try less shear madness


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Spruce
How to
See before in last post
First do bottom with nose in 2m pruner off A frame.
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Then climb time for top



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After the climb
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2m pruner and zubat
Shear madness, a little yes
No shears though
And to get to this smaller almost acceptable size, the textured look would have removed more %
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Already removed a lot
Anyway time is on my side
I can remove more to increase texture and natural appearance next time.
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3 hrs total cutting time.




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Next
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Shear madness app
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1hr climb across top.
Stihl electric 5 foot pole hedge trimmer. 36V.
And zubat.


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