One Handing a Top Handle Chain Saw? Yes or No
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Reg
Branched out member
- Location
- Victoria, BC
I voted yes to one handling, unashamedly....I do it everyday at some point, lots of times actually, when I feel its safe, safer, and more efficient. Over the years I've worked with hundreds of climbers from in different parts of the world who go about their work pretty much the same as I do, without incident for the best part. We dont ask nor need to be led by anyone, thankyou.
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On the other hand we have the leaders of our industry:
Peter J Dubish, Jim Rooney, J George Klinger, Ralph Tompkins, Sean Gere, Dieter Paries, Nick Fiscina, Andrew Salvadore, Gil Niedenthal, Patrick H Flynn, Joe Bones, Jim Penneather, Don Blair, Joe Engberg, John Hendrickson, Joe Tommasi, Mark 'scott' McDaniel, Herschel Hale, Cary Shepherd, Tim Ard, James Tomaseski, Kurt Groenendaal, Bruce SMith, Ken Palmer, Daniel H. Oberlies, Allan Fraser, George Mellick, John D Terrault, Katryn Shaw, J daniel Sullivan, Michael A. Daughters, Jim Cass, TIm Bushnell, TObe Sherrill, Mike Dirksen, Randall Harris, Matthew Randi, Paul Markworth, Peter Gerstenberger, David Walls, Frank Smith Jr, Dennis Davis, Frank Castillo, S. Dale Crutchfield, Tom Mayer, Dennis A Beam, Drew Beam, Keith Sheriff, Jamie Goddard, Richard Hildbrand, Steven P Cornish, Steve Chisholm, H. Dennis P ryan, Tim Walsh, Richard Abbott, James Allard, Herschel Hale, Robert Harder, Ethel Hugg, Ed Johnson, Gordon King, David Shaw.
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223tree, (really liked your rigging video btw), I know a couple of guys there peronally, Don, Jamie from Yale. Who are all these others? Should their names mean something to me cause they honestly dont and I feel like I'm doing ok so far?
On the other hand I've met many of the players in the first list, although I dont believe you and I have had the pleasure as yet....but I do actually respect their opinions because they're on the pulse, doing the job everyday, which counts for quite a lot actually.
Head and shoulders the most distinguished of which is Jerry IMO....who's iconic poster we've all seen(ironically) topping out that monster redwood be-it one handling an 090 with his broken foot in plaster.
I'd like one of those leaders to teach me how to take a tree down, let alone Jerry.
I found your list comparrison a little disrespectful actually, from a seemingly intelligent guy....maybe I missed your point, I hope.
With all that said, I know some climbers who I wouldn't trust to one handle a steering wheel, let alone a chainsaw. Some people just shouldn't do treework at all, I believe that....often is the case in that a person is just dangerous, not the specific technique.
I'll throw this out to anyone who voted no: Forget that rule aspect now....which part or senario of one handling dont you trust your own skills and judgement with? I'm assuming of course that if there was no rule then you still wouldn't one handle a saw, such are the strong feeling that I'm seeing here. Thanks
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On the other hand we have the leaders of our industry:
Peter J Dubish, Jim Rooney, J George Klinger, Ralph Tompkins, Sean Gere, Dieter Paries, Nick Fiscina, Andrew Salvadore, Gil Niedenthal, Patrick H Flynn, Joe Bones, Jim Penneather, Don Blair, Joe Engberg, John Hendrickson, Joe Tommasi, Mark 'scott' McDaniel, Herschel Hale, Cary Shepherd, Tim Ard, James Tomaseski, Kurt Groenendaal, Bruce SMith, Ken Palmer, Daniel H. Oberlies, Allan Fraser, George Mellick, John D Terrault, Katryn Shaw, J daniel Sullivan, Michael A. Daughters, Jim Cass, TIm Bushnell, TObe Sherrill, Mike Dirksen, Randall Harris, Matthew Randi, Paul Markworth, Peter Gerstenberger, David Walls, Frank Smith Jr, Dennis Davis, Frank Castillo, S. Dale Crutchfield, Tom Mayer, Dennis A Beam, Drew Beam, Keith Sheriff, Jamie Goddard, Richard Hildbrand, Steven P Cornish, Steve Chisholm, H. Dennis P ryan, Tim Walsh, Richard Abbott, James Allard, Herschel Hale, Robert Harder, Ethel Hugg, Ed Johnson, Gordon King, David Shaw.
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223tree, (really liked your rigging video btw), I know a couple of guys there peronally, Don, Jamie from Yale. Who are all these others? Should their names mean something to me cause they honestly dont and I feel like I'm doing ok so far?
On the other hand I've met many of the players in the first list, although I dont believe you and I have had the pleasure as yet....but I do actually respect their opinions because they're on the pulse, doing the job everyday, which counts for quite a lot actually.
Head and shoulders the most distinguished of which is Jerry IMO....who's iconic poster we've all seen(ironically) topping out that monster redwood be-it one handling an 090 with his broken foot in plaster.
I'd like one of those leaders to teach me how to take a tree down, let alone Jerry.
I found your list comparrison a little disrespectful actually, from a seemingly intelligent guy....maybe I missed your point, I hope.
With all that said, I know some climbers who I wouldn't trust to one handle a steering wheel, let alone a chainsaw. Some people just shouldn't do treework at all, I believe that....often is the case in that a person is just dangerous, not the specific technique.
I'll throw this out to anyone who voted no: Forget that rule aspect now....which part or senario of one handling dont you trust your own skills and judgement with? I'm assuming of course that if there was no rule then you still wouldn't one handle a saw, such are the strong feeling that I'm seeing here. Thanks
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I voted yes to one handling, unashamedly....I do it everyday at some point, lots of times actually, when I feel its safe, safer, and more efficient. Over the years I've worked with hundreds of climbers from in different parts of the world who go about their work pretty much the same as I do, without incident for the best part. We dont ask nor need to be led by anyone, thankyou.
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On the other hand we have the leaders of our industry:
Peter J Dubish, Jim Rooney, J George Klinger, Ralph Tompkins, Sean Gere, Dieter Paries, Nick Fiscina, Andrew Salvadore, Gil Niedenthal, Patrick H Flynn, Joe Bones, Jim Penneather, Don Blair, Joe Engberg, John Hendrickson, Joe Tommasi, Mark 'scott' McDaniel, Herschel Hale, Cary Shepherd, Tim Ard, James Tomaseski, Kurt Groenendaal, Bruce SMith, Ken Palmer, Daniel H. Oberlies, Allan Fraser, George Mellick, John D Terrault, Katryn Shaw, J daniel Sullivan, Michael A. Daughters, Jim Cass, TIm Bushnell, TObe Sherrill, Mike Dirksen, Randall Harris, Matthew Randi, Paul Markworth, Peter Gerstenberger, David Walls, Frank Smith Jr, Dennis Davis, Frank Castillo, S. Dale Crutchfield, Tom Mayer, Dennis A Beam, Drew Beam, Keith Sheriff, Jamie Goddard, Richard Hildbrand, Steven P Cornish, Steve Chisholm, H. Dennis P ryan, Tim Walsh, Richard Abbott, James Allard, Herschel Hale, Robert Harder, Ethel Hugg, Ed Johnson, Gordon King, David Shaw.
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223tree, (really liked your rigging video btw), I know a couple of guys there peronally, Don, Jamie from Yale. Who are all these others? Should their names mean something to me cause they honestly dont and I feel like I'm doing ok so far?
On the other hand I've met many of the players in the first list, although I dont believe you and I have had the pleasure as yet....but I do actually respect their opinions because they're on the pulse, doing the job everyday, which counts for quite a lot actually.
Head and shoulders the most distinguished of which is Jerry IMO....who's iconic poster we've all seen(ironically) topping out that monster redwood be-it one handling an 090 with his broken foot in plaster.
I'd like one of those leaders to teach me how to take a tree down, let alone Jerry.
I found your list comparrison a little disrespectful actually, from a seemingly intelligent guy....maybe I missed your point, I hope.
With all that said, I know some climbers who I wouldn't trust to one handle a steering wheel, let alone a chainsaw. Some people just shouldn't do treework at all, I believe that....often is the case in that a person is just dangerous, not the specific technique.
I'll throw this out to anyone who voted no: Forget that rule aspect now....which part or senario of one handling dont you trust your own skills and judgement with? I'm assuming of course that if there was no rule then you still wouldn't one handle a saw, such are the strong feeling that I'm seeing here. Thanks
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I voted yes to one handling, unashamedly....I do it everyday at some point, lots of times actually, when I feel its safe, safer, and more efficient. Over the years I've worked with hundreds of climbers from in different parts of the world who go about their work pretty much the same as I do, without incident for the best part. We dont ask nor need to be led by anyone, thankyou.
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On the other hand we have the leaders of our industry:
Peter J Dubish, Jim Rooney, J George Klinger, Ralph Tompkins, Sean Gere, Dieter Paries, Nick Fiscina, Andrew Salvadore, Gil Niedenthal, Patrick H Flynn, Joe Bones, Jim Penneather, Don Blair, Joe Engberg, John Hendrickson, Joe Tommasi, Mark 'scott' McDaniel, Herschel Hale, Cary Shepherd, Tim Ard, James Tomaseski, Kurt Groenendaal, Bruce SMith, Ken Palmer, Daniel H. Oberlies, Allan Fraser, George Mellick, John D Terrault, Katryn Shaw, J daniel Sullivan, Michael A. Daughters, Jim Cass, TIm Bushnell, TObe Sherrill, Mike Dirksen, Randall Harris, Matthew Randi, Paul Markworth, Peter Gerstenberger, David Walls, Frank Smith Jr, Dennis Davis, Frank Castillo, S. Dale Crutchfield, Tom Mayer, Dennis A Beam, Drew Beam, Keith Sheriff, Jamie Goddard, Richard Hildbrand, Steven P Cornish, Steve Chisholm, H. Dennis P ryan, Tim Walsh, Richard Abbott, James Allard, Herschel Hale, Robert Harder, Ethel Hugg, Ed Johnson, Gordon King, David Shaw.
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223tree, (really liked your rigging video btw), I know a couple of guys there peronally, Don, Jamie from Yale. Who are all these others? Should their names mean something to me cause they honestly dont and I feel like I'm doing ok so far?
On the other hand I've met many of the players in the first list, although I dont believe you and I have had the pleasure as yet....but I do actually respect their opinions because they're on the pulse, doing the job everyday, which counts for quite a lot actually.
Head and shoulders the most distinguished of which is Jerry IMO....who's iconic poster we've all seen(ironically) topping out that monster redwood be-it one handling an 090 with his broken foot in plaster.
I'd like one of those leaders to teach me how to take a tree down, let alone Jerry.
I found your list comparrison a little disrespectful actually, from a seemingly intelligent guy....maybe I missed your point, I hope.
With all that said, I know some climbers who I wouldn't trust to one handle a steering wheel, let alone a chainsaw. Some people just shouldn't do treework at all, I believe that....often is the case in that a person is just dangerous, not the specific technique.
I'll throw this out to anyone who voted no: Forget that rule aspect now....which part or senario of one handling dont you trust your own skills and judgement with? I'm assuming of course that if there was no rule then you still wouldn't one handle a saw, such are the strong feeling that I'm seeing here. Thanks
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- pitts pa
right on !!!!!!!!!!!
I will write about my one hand example from today, maybe tomorrow, another nasty hot day and I don't feel like writing, plus computer unplugged due to possible storms. I HOPE NO MORE FREAKIN STORMS, looks like big one coming through PA to my area tonight on radar, even though they say only 50% chance.
Maybe people got bent out of shape due to Jomoco, seeming to rub it in, like ha ha I won.
Very brave of reg to be real and give his real opinion.
I'm going to sell products soon to arborists and think, hmmmm, I could likely sell a lot more if I bit my tongue and was nice to everyone. But, that's too fake and have chosen to be real and be myself; if it hurts sales, so be it.
Maybe people got bent out of shape due to Jomoco, seeming to rub it in, like ha ha I won.
Very brave of reg to be real and give his real opinion.
I'm going to sell products soon to arborists and think, hmmmm, I could likely sell a lot more if I bit my tongue and was nice to everyone. But, that's too fake and have chosen to be real and be myself; if it hurts sales, so be it.
Frax
Participating member
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I'll throw this out to anyone who voted no: Forget that rule aspect now....which part or senario of one handling dont you trust your own skills and judgement with? I'm assuming of course that if there was no rule then you still wouldn't one handle a saw, such are the strong feeling that I'm seeing here. Thanks
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I voted a qualified, grey area kind of general 'no'.
But, since you pose a very good question, then, yeah, I probably do lack the skills to one-hand routinely. So I judge that it's better for me not to.
Two hands 99% of the time just feels better for me and gives me the degree of control I'm comfortable with. I'm not motivated by it being a rule except to the extent an employer would require it.
But I would never presume to judge those more skilled than me.
So, there has never been an ARGUMENT from me about 'right vs wrong' - just a DISCUSSION of 1 vs 2.
To each his or her own.
I'll throw this out to anyone who voted no: Forget that rule aspect now....which part or senario of one handling dont you trust your own skills and judgement with? I'm assuming of course that if there was no rule then you still wouldn't one handle a saw, such are the strong feeling that I'm seeing here. Thanks
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I voted a qualified, grey area kind of general 'no'.
But, since you pose a very good question, then, yeah, I probably do lack the skills to one-hand routinely. So I judge that it's better for me not to.
Two hands 99% of the time just feels better for me and gives me the degree of control I'm comfortable with. I'm not motivated by it being a rule except to the extent an employer would require it.
But I would never presume to judge those more skilled than me.
So, there has never been an ARGUMENT from me about 'right vs wrong' - just a DISCUSSION of 1 vs 2.
To each his or her own.
Daniel
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Suburban Philadelphia (Wayne)
I think we can all agree that it is best to teach a newbie climber to position his body so that he can keep 2 hands on the saw.. We also would probably agree that one handing with the bar in the same plane as your body or your life line/lanyard should be avoided. We can also agree that one handing for crane cuts should be totally forbidden. We might also all agree that one handing when the body is positioned when the saw could either fall towards the body or be pushed towards the body by a moving piece of tree should be avoided.
These are somewhat complicated distinctions.. its easier to just say "no one handing".. but realistically climbers are going to one hand with or without the rule.. Kinda like abortion.. I think making these types of distinctions, as complicated as they might get, should be considered.
These are somewhat complicated distinctions.. its easier to just say "no one handing".. but realistically climbers are going to one hand with or without the rule.. Kinda like abortion.. I think making these types of distinctions, as complicated as they might get, should be considered.
Bixler
Participating member
- Location
- Nevada City, CA
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I guess Im one of the majority, I one hand in certain cases.
REG and blinky very good post's...I respect the other views as well, I understand what your saying, but would rather have the freedom of choice.
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Well... I'm right there with you Scott...
Reg it's this pic right? Hehe. One could argue that one-handling may safe one's life... in certain circumstances of course!
The Undercut...
I do recall there was a big lump in my throat and it was difficult to swallow, but when I started that chainsaw the lump just up and disappeared.
The saw I started with was a Stihl 044, which had a 36-inch bar. With it, I started the curds into the trunk that I could slide a big bar in. The big bar was 84-inches long, 7ft, and powered by the largest chainsaw ever built; the Stihl 090. It was undoubtedly the cat's meow for extending the cuts across the trunk, but I didn't anticipate one key fact about using it up there. I couldn't back up on the staging far enough to pull that long bar out of the tree! I had to back-chain out of the cut! Power out backwards! Under normal circumstances you just don't do that with those long bars, because you chance to throw the chain while the bar is still in the cut. And that would put a literal "grinding halt" on our operation. But it had to be done. There was no other way around it.
150 ft up an old growth redwood - GF Beranek
The Backcut...
One tug on the starter rope and that 090 came to life. I braced myself and began powering that long bar deep into the back of the tree. I could bfeel when it reached the heartwood and started pulling chips. The hinge-wood began breaking almost immediately. I pulled the saw back and the tip began tipping towards the undercut. As it did the trunk of the tree begin to rock back. Then something began pressing against my left arm, and it raised the hair on the back of my neck. "What the hell is that?" I wondered I turned around; it was the smaller tree we set our climb lines in. The big tree had rocked me all the way back against it. I wanted to move to the front of the stage and watch the top fall, but that wasn't going to happen. That trunk was rocking too much. The top disappeared out of sight, but I could hear the wind blowing through it. It was falling offer a hundred miles per hour by that time. And then...A CRACK and loud as a roar of thunder filled the canyon. Sounds of all description and size of things crashing and was piling up in the ravine! All the while the crowd on the highway was yelling, screaming, whistling and clapping.
-High Climbers and Timber Fallers
I guess Im one of the majority, I one hand in certain cases.
REG and blinky very good post's...I respect the other views as well, I understand what your saying, but would rather have the freedom of choice.
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Well... I'm right there with you Scott...
Reg it's this pic right? Hehe. One could argue that one-handling may safe one's life... in certain circumstances of course!
The Undercut...
I do recall there was a big lump in my throat and it was difficult to swallow, but when I started that chainsaw the lump just up and disappeared.
The saw I started with was a Stihl 044, which had a 36-inch bar. With it, I started the curds into the trunk that I could slide a big bar in. The big bar was 84-inches long, 7ft, and powered by the largest chainsaw ever built; the Stihl 090. It was undoubtedly the cat's meow for extending the cuts across the trunk, but I didn't anticipate one key fact about using it up there. I couldn't back up on the staging far enough to pull that long bar out of the tree! I had to back-chain out of the cut! Power out backwards! Under normal circumstances you just don't do that with those long bars, because you chance to throw the chain while the bar is still in the cut. And that would put a literal "grinding halt" on our operation. But it had to be done. There was no other way around it.
150 ft up an old growth redwood - GF Beranek
The Backcut...
One tug on the starter rope and that 090 came to life. I braced myself and began powering that long bar deep into the back of the tree. I could bfeel when it reached the heartwood and started pulling chips. The hinge-wood began breaking almost immediately. I pulled the saw back and the tip began tipping towards the undercut. As it did the trunk of the tree begin to rock back. Then something began pressing against my left arm, and it raised the hair on the back of my neck. "What the hell is that?" I wondered I turned around; it was the smaller tree we set our climb lines in. The big tree had rocked me all the way back against it. I wanted to move to the front of the stage and watch the top fall, but that wasn't going to happen. That trunk was rocking too much. The top disappeared out of sight, but I could hear the wind blowing through it. It was falling offer a hundred miles per hour by that time. And then...A CRACK and loud as a roar of thunder filled the canyon. Sounds of all description and size of things crashing and was piling up in the ravine! All the while the crowd on the highway was yelling, screaming, whistling and clapping.
-High Climbers and Timber Fallers
Treespotter
New member
- Location
- Houten, The Netherlands
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Two hands 99% of the time just feels better for me and gives me the degree of control I'm comfortable with.
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That's the story for all of us Nora and that's what this whole discussion revolves around.
Rule of thumb in this discussion will be that you have to keep it safe, even in the comfort zone where you have full control.
Leaving 'church'.
At least for now.
Two hands 99% of the time just feels better for me and gives me the degree of control I'm comfortable with.
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That's the story for all of us Nora and that's what this whole discussion revolves around.
Rule of thumb in this discussion will be that you have to keep it safe, even in the comfort zone where you have full control.
Leaving 'church'.
bonner1040
Branched out member
- Location
- Boston
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On the other hand I've met many of the players in the first list, although I dont believe you and I have had the pleasure as yet....but I do actually respect their opinions because they're on the pulse, doing the job everyday, which counts for quite a lot actually.
Head and shoulders the most distinguished of which is Jerry IMO....who's iconic poster we've all seen(ironically) topping out that monster redwood be-it one handling an 090 with his broken foot in plaster.
I'd like one of those leaders to teach me how to take a tree down, let alone Jerry.
I found your list comparrison a little disrespectful actually, from a seemingly intelligent guy....maybe I missed your point, I hope.
With all that said, I know some climbers who I wouldn't trust to one handle a steering wheel, let alone a chainsaw. Some people just shouldn't do treework at all, I believe that....often is the case in that a person is just dangerous, not the specific technique.
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Reg,
First I just want to say this, Jerry is one of the most distinguished men in our trade. period. I meant no offense to the members of either list, as I listed all of the people that had weighed in, whether for or against here on the buzz.
Those names, I copied verbatim from the list of contributors and voting members found in the beginning of the Z, certainly not from memory or a list of people with whom I am necessarily familiar. In the Z their company affiliations are listed but it was to much to transcribe for my hunt and peck typing.
Secondly, while I initially met some of your claims in another thread with disbelief, after connecting the dots of your username to your identity, speaking with trusted friends and doing my own research I have come to know you as a world class member of our industry. I have nothing but respect for you and would jump at the chance to work with you or meet you for a minute. Through my observations and reading, other people; Roger Barnett, Ben and others are not only examples of your stature and influence but stewards of our industry as well.
My stance is not against one handing in totality. It is against the education that it is ok. I truly believe that there are not situations where it is a 'must do'. My problem being the language and examples used by others where they illustrate these 'have to' scenarios. For up and coming workers who may not have the skills to find a 'better way' it is far to easy to slip down the slope of 'this is the only way'. That slope is created and fostered by people listing scenarios where according to them 'there is no other way'.
Everything to me is centered around best practices. If you can always strive to think more than once, take the extra second to find the way to do it right, or safest, then statistically after encountering tens of thousands of scenarios, you are more likely to come out on top. The problem is most people dont do that. The bigger problem is that the impressionable ones, the ones reading the words of so called authorities, like the guys here on the buzz, the guys that have invented products we use, the guys that teach all these great tricks, they are the ones saying it has to be done that there isnt a safer way.
I one hand my saw, but it isnt because its not possible otherwise. It is because I am in a rush, I am being lazy, and because I, in my mind have weighed that it is safe to do so in that situation. Sometimes though when I think about my wife-to-be Meg though I ask myself, is this thing I do worth rushing through? Does she deserve a one armed husband?
I can put the tree down with both hands on the saw, I may not be world class but I am an excellent climber. I pride myself on positioning and I will continue to strive to find a way to do it safely, I look at some of the old videos of myself holding the rope away from the saw, fingers inches from the chain and I shudder. I am not gonna do it anymore.
To Blinky, excellent posts. To Reg you are one of the people I admire most. To Jerry, you are my hero. To all the others 2 handers and one handers alike, stay safe out there. To Jomoco, I know I can get carried away, I apologize for the personal attacks and wish you the best bro.
Thanks for having me.
On the other hand I've met many of the players in the first list, although I dont believe you and I have had the pleasure as yet....but I do actually respect their opinions because they're on the pulse, doing the job everyday, which counts for quite a lot actually.
Head and shoulders the most distinguished of which is Jerry IMO....who's iconic poster we've all seen(ironically) topping out that monster redwood be-it one handling an 090 with his broken foot in plaster.
I'd like one of those leaders to teach me how to take a tree down, let alone Jerry.
I found your list comparrison a little disrespectful actually, from a seemingly intelligent guy....maybe I missed your point, I hope.
With all that said, I know some climbers who I wouldn't trust to one handle a steering wheel, let alone a chainsaw. Some people just shouldn't do treework at all, I believe that....often is the case in that a person is just dangerous, not the specific technique.
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Reg,
First I just want to say this, Jerry is one of the most distinguished men in our trade. period. I meant no offense to the members of either list, as I listed all of the people that had weighed in, whether for or against here on the buzz.
Those names, I copied verbatim from the list of contributors and voting members found in the beginning of the Z, certainly not from memory or a list of people with whom I am necessarily familiar. In the Z their company affiliations are listed but it was to much to transcribe for my hunt and peck typing.
Secondly, while I initially met some of your claims in another thread with disbelief, after connecting the dots of your username to your identity, speaking with trusted friends and doing my own research I have come to know you as a world class member of our industry. I have nothing but respect for you and would jump at the chance to work with you or meet you for a minute. Through my observations and reading, other people; Roger Barnett, Ben and others are not only examples of your stature and influence but stewards of our industry as well.
My stance is not against one handing in totality. It is against the education that it is ok. I truly believe that there are not situations where it is a 'must do'. My problem being the language and examples used by others where they illustrate these 'have to' scenarios. For up and coming workers who may not have the skills to find a 'better way' it is far to easy to slip down the slope of 'this is the only way'. That slope is created and fostered by people listing scenarios where according to them 'there is no other way'.
Everything to me is centered around best practices. If you can always strive to think more than once, take the extra second to find the way to do it right, or safest, then statistically after encountering tens of thousands of scenarios, you are more likely to come out on top. The problem is most people dont do that. The bigger problem is that the impressionable ones, the ones reading the words of so called authorities, like the guys here on the buzz, the guys that have invented products we use, the guys that teach all these great tricks, they are the ones saying it has to be done that there isnt a safer way.
I one hand my saw, but it isnt because its not possible otherwise. It is because I am in a rush, I am being lazy, and because I, in my mind have weighed that it is safe to do so in that situation. Sometimes though when I think about my wife-to-be Meg though I ask myself, is this thing I do worth rushing through? Does she deserve a one armed husband?
I can put the tree down with both hands on the saw, I may not be world class but I am an excellent climber. I pride myself on positioning and I will continue to strive to find a way to do it safely, I look at some of the old videos of myself holding the rope away from the saw, fingers inches from the chain and I shudder. I am not gonna do it anymore.
To Blinky, excellent posts. To Reg you are one of the people I admire most. To Jerry, you are my hero. To all the others 2 handers and one handers alike, stay safe out there. To Jomoco, I know I can get carried away, I apologize for the personal attacks and wish you the best bro.
Thanks for having me.
Wow!
Just who did you talk to that changed your impression of me from a moron to a climbing bro 223?
Who ever it was musta been there done that a few times eh?
Now that we're bros, can you please explain how you deal with my "hypothetical" scenario that you find so outlandishly unlikely?
Do you have x-ray vision that detects internal structural flaws in multi-leader decurrent trees.
What you are calling outlandish, is in fact a statistical certainty if you climb and remove trees, regardless of whether those trees are primary virgins, secondary growth harlots, or tertiary growth hoars!
Give me a ste by step of how you deal with my "outlandish" conundrum bro?
Please?
jomoco
Just who did you talk to that changed your impression of me from a moron to a climbing bro 223?
Who ever it was musta been there done that a few times eh?
Now that we're bros, can you please explain how you deal with my "hypothetical" scenario that you find so outlandishly unlikely?
Do you have x-ray vision that detects internal structural flaws in multi-leader decurrent trees.
What you are calling outlandish, is in fact a statistical certainty if you climb and remove trees, regardless of whether those trees are primary virgins, secondary growth harlots, or tertiary growth hoars!
Give me a ste by step of how you deal with my "outlandish" conundrum bro?
Please?
jomoco
bonner1040
Branched out member
- Location
- Boston
...and the olive branched is slapped away. Have a happy 4th of july everybody
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Musta had a structural flaw that forced me to cut my ties to it, with one hand, eh?
Can any of you experts complete my scenario using two hands on your trimsaw?
Prime Ape?
John Hendricksen, Peter Gerstenberger, Jim Allard, Don Blair, any of my old friends?
Which page of the telephone book do I turn to for a hands on step by step answer to my perilous conundrum friends?
jomoco
Can any of you experts complete my scenario using two hands on your trimsaw?
Prime Ape?
John Hendricksen, Peter Gerstenberger, Jim Allard, Don Blair, any of my old friends?
Which page of the telephone book do I turn to for a hands on step by step answer to my perilous conundrum friends?
jomoco
bonner1040
Branched out member
- Location
- Boston
You hire me, and then pay to watch.
jmcscrap
Participating member
- Location
- Woodbury, MN
Overall some great posts and much respect to those that have shared some very valid information both for and against. To me, who I admit fully is an average at best climber, I do what I feel is the safest option possible for every cut. I do one hand the saw when I have not been able to get into a position where I can use both hands either safely or just because I can not get into position and feel comfortable making the cut.
Right or wrong, safe or not safe, following the rules or breaking them - whatever you want to call it, and whatever you feel is going to get the job done in the way that gets you home at night, to me is the way it should be done.
When it's literally your life on the line, do what is best for you in any situation, because all you can do is YOUR best - not someone else's.
Right or wrong, safe or not safe, following the rules or breaking them - whatever you want to call it, and whatever you feel is going to get the job done in the way that gets you home at night, to me is the way it should be done.
When it's literally your life on the line, do what is best for you in any situation, because all you can do is YOUR best - not someone else's.
Are you available tomorrow morning old bean?
I remember Blair here in Balboa park giving a hands on seminar of how to Speedline a removal with a friend of mine. A six foot seven 300 lb ex-marine climber without an ounce of fat on him, a certified arborist, and all around mean lookin dude, runnin the crew.
Well, Blair was giving instructions, lines got crossed, branches hung up, the crowd giggling, Hamilton(USMC) glaring at Blair, who kept his cool laughed threw up his hands and said, well some days are like that in this biz, can I borrow somebody's bucket truck to untangle the mess I've made please?
With Hamilton backing his play, a bucket was quickly available, and the seminar went ahead with a lighter mood and atmosphere about the do's and don't's of speedlining.
Well your lines are crossed 223.
Now what's your backup plan, how are you going to handle this situation?
The crowd is giggling and murmuring.
jomoco
I remember Blair here in Balboa park giving a hands on seminar of how to Speedline a removal with a friend of mine. A six foot seven 300 lb ex-marine climber without an ounce of fat on him, a certified arborist, and all around mean lookin dude, runnin the crew.
Well, Blair was giving instructions, lines got crossed, branches hung up, the crowd giggling, Hamilton(USMC) glaring at Blair, who kept his cool laughed threw up his hands and said, well some days are like that in this biz, can I borrow somebody's bucket truck to untangle the mess I've made please?
With Hamilton backing his play, a bucket was quickly available, and the seminar went ahead with a lighter mood and atmosphere about the do's and don't's of speedlining.
Well your lines are crossed 223.
Now what's your backup plan, how are you going to handle this situation?
The crowd is giggling and murmuring.
jomoco
bonner1040
Branched out member
- Location
- Boston
It was just a joke Jomoco... Cant we just leave it alone? Suffice it to say I would take a smaller piece, or maybe take a backpack up with me and bring it down in chunks.
I am obviously not to your caliber as I just cant understand the need to do what you are describing.
Or i would use one of these... http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_260/1208463598l5L0cK.jpg
I am obviously not to your caliber as I just cant understand the need to do what you are describing.
Or i would use one of these... http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_260/1208463598l5L0cK.jpg
All right bro, cool. Happy 4th mate!
jomoco
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