One Handing a Top Handle Chain Saw? Yes or No

Private Tree Ordinances, good, bad, or ugly?

  • It's good for the trees and for me

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Good for the trees but a pain for me

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • could be of value but useless in it's present form

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • a necessary evil

    Votes: 8 61.5%

  • Bad, bad, bad....

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • Total voters
    13
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Oh and leaving a saw running after the cut has nothing to do with one handing the cut itself. Additionally if the leader I am on is breaking and pulling me down, frantically swiping towards my manhood with a running chainsaw is about the worst idea ever.



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Let me get this straight. You route your lanyard through your crotch or somethin?

jomoco
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Unsprung weight dynamics, suddenly rising as your body line goes slack, and you must either compensate for that slack with one hand and arm, or gravity will quickly put you under that branch,dangling from your lanyard.

That final 8 inch cut, catching or speedlining a 600 lb head on a separate leader from your TIP high above.

Explain to me how you make that cut with both hands on the saw please.

And your escape plan if god forbid that leader's got a structural defect you're unaware of, and breaks below your catch point?

Trees do have hidden defects that can be planned for in terms of your own personal well being as a climber. At least in my opinion anyway.

jomoco
 
Oh you mean something like this? A 80' leaning stone dead red oak with roots cut out during installation of a septic. Tied in else where with escape plan as well just as your aying cut with one hand and used the other to take up slack in my climbing line when pieces are taking into the rigging. Other wise I would have slid around the tree gaffing out or slipped around underneath the rigging line and neither seemed like a good idea.
 

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Yeah, see, that's the kinda stuff I'm talkin bout!

Lookin out for número uno, and planning for the inevitable when it happens.

jomoco
 
An individual has a choice.

Looking beyond two opposing thoughts. Opening your mind to possibilities and navigating your way to a solution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrative_thinking

Perfect words Jomoco "Planning for the inevitable"

I wish I was taught one handing early on in my career.
And if I was a young arborist I would seek all the info out there to be your best in any given situation as mentioned

Like all things take it low and slow.
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Thanks Ropeshield, it was an interesting and fair thread, democratically polled, with transparent results that speak for themselves.

I'd love to set up a strategic rigging seminar to clearly demonstrate the very real occasions when one handing is a pro's best option to stay on top of the whole situation at hand.

Great thread bro!

jomoco
 
Not a great thread. You are giving inexperienced workers bad information, and encouraging them to act in a reckless fashion. Because Jomoco said it was ok they dont need to find a better way to position, just one hand it.

Lucky for you you will never know if your words result in someones death.
 
this thread is absolutely ridiculous to me....i am a full time climber at a company with no bucket truck and we pride ourselves in safe work practices....one handing a chainsaw is virtually not discussed because of the simple fact that it is not necessary. proper work positioning makes the need to one hand a chainsaw obsolete...tom already brought this point up...."I am pretty sure I heard Mark C. himself say something to the effect of "If you feel the need to one hand, you need to improve your work positioning skills."

secondly, the idea that someone intentionally finishes a cut with one hand on his saw with the thought that he is going to use his saw to cut his lanyard to release himself blows my mind...good luck with that...ill stick to mitigating my hazards as much as possible and not putting myself in a position that a running chainsaw is my escape plan.
 
HOLY JESUS...

An oasis of reason in the great desert of stupidty... Watch out Sultan Jomoco is gonna get you with that nonsense rationalization crap.
 
Mark's in a no win situation along with Gerry.

They both know exactly what I'm describing is indeed very real, but can't endorse what I do for fear of getting an amateur middling climber hurt or killed.

I'm not advocating anybody use my methods or techniques in any tree.

You can bet I will be posting examples of exactly what I, and others, personally choose to do during strategic takedowns with no crane access.

jomoco
 
thats pretty presumptuous to insinuate that mark and gerry would indeed indorse one handed chainsaw use if they were not in the spotlight.
im not foolish enough to think that i would change your mind about your practices or methods...but i would like to remind everybody that complacency kills and just cause youve done something for however long with no injuries doesnt mean its a safe practice.
all that being said the only reason that i have posted anything is because i feel that the world of arboriculture is an interesting microcosm that i enjoy being a part of and i dont want to have to read about anymore of my fellow arborists in the awakenings section of this website...climb high and stay safe
 
I find it strange and hilarious that you think that you are the only one that does the kind of "technical" removals that you do. Also it is too funny that you think that because you cut with one hand for whatever reason, that you are better at your craft than me, and I don't need to cut one handed to do my job. My job, for your information, has included the dismanteling of thousands of technicaly challenging trees. I will say that if in your mind you have convinced yourself that in your daily work that you must one hand to get it done, then I wish you luck. But I would also recommend that you change proffessions. Because I'm a firm believer in the saying that how you do anything is how you do everything, and shortcuts will get you hurt or killed in this industry. I'm laughing in your general direction.
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all that being said the only reason that i have posted anything is because i feel that the world of arboriculture is an interesting microcosm that i enjoy being a part of and i dont want to have to read about anymore of my fellow arborists in the awakenings section of this website...climb high and stay safe

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Hit the nail on the head.
No more injuries means sharing the available info for and against.
Applying Limitations in tools, techniques and knowledge is what kills.
Nobody is suggesting doing anything stupid with one hand or two, they are basically the same thing and when applied can both be injurious.
 
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I find it strange and hilarious that you think that you are the only one that does the kind of "technical" removals that you do. Also it is too funny that you think that because you cut with one hand for whatever reason, that you are better at your craft than me, and I don't need to cut one handed to do my job. My job, for your information, has included the dismanteling of thousands of technicaly challenging trees. I will say that if in your mind you have convinced yourself that in your daily work that you must one hand to get it done, then I wish you luck. But I would also recommend that you change proffessions. Because I'm a firm believer in the saying that how you do anything is how you do everything, and shortcuts will get you hurt or killed in this industry. I'm laughing in your general direction.
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You took the words right out of my mouth!!!

Jomoco,
You have to admit at some point and time that your not doing some kinda special tree that no one has ever done. Lets get real here.... For every way you show me that you have to one hand, I can show you that you DON"T have too. It's a simple fact.
 
How does it feel to be a minority in your own telephone book of opinions?

This was a transparent democratic poll.

One side won, and one side lost.

Get over yourselves already!

Democracy is a very good thing, something about folks willing to give up liberty for security deserving neither?

Sprecken ze deutche herr commissar?

jomoco
 
de·moc·ra·cy
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noun, plural de·moc·ra·cies.
1.
government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

Once again Jomoco, dead wrong... this was a matter of opinion, no governing action was taken based on the results. Democracy implies the right to exercise change...

This was simply a poll and a very limited one at that.

jo·mo·co
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