Santiago Casanova
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What is this, are you telling me that you don't take a jointer to clean up the cuts? What kind of a tree man do you think you are?
One Handing a Top Handle Chain Saw? Yes or No
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What is this, are you telling me that you don't take a jointer to clean up the cuts? What kind of a tree man do you think you are?
southsoundtree
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I am not sure why I would ever want the input of ground laborer. If I can't figure whether or not I can safely one-hand the saw, why would I be in the tree? Why would I ask the guys who I have to direct to work safely doing menial tasks.
That system is based on the ground crew being competent. Why is there a competent ground crew, without a competent climber?
That system is based on the ground crew being competent. Why is there a competent ground crew, without a competent climber?
Santiago Casanova
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I think it was so they could expect an injury and act accordingly. Just my guess as to the purpose.
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That's why.
More like a...Hey, I'm going to do something dangerous. Pay attention just in case this goes pear-shaped.
treegongfu
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It is formalizing the exception to the rule and making a process out of it so that it isn't done friviously and without an examination of its necessity.
Quite clever if you are trying to minimize the use of one handing.
Quite clever if you are trying to minimize the use of one handing.
ATH
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Until we decide "there is always another way" we will always accept danger as 'that is just the way it is'. MAYBE somebody seeing something from a different angle might see that other way even if they aren't an expert. I ask for a second opinion often because I trust the guys working with me even if they don't have the expertise in a tree.
Jem4417
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The rules were made to slow you down and think. They will never keep you safe
Just act and pretend....maybe a lightbulb will go off...
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southsoundtree
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Everything we do could be dangerous.
I pulled over 6 dead fir, and deadwood 4 fir up to 100' & 120', one next to primaries, and fed branches to a man eating chipper.
I never felt in any particular danger, side from the swing-potential in 30' limb walks for end-weight reduction.
To suggest everyone should get ready to rescue the climber because of using a saw with one hand is ridiculous.
The biggest dangers en route and on the jobsite are not a climber cutting with one hand.
TreeCo
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Enough of thinking for yourself.
Last warning or you're out of the lemming club.
Now get back in line!
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Just a suggestion
One way that a company deals with what they feel is a dangerous practice
Do as you see fit
I've written about VOTE/VETO in other threads. Look in the archives
One way that a company deals with what they feel is a dangerous practice
Do as you see fit
I've written about VOTE/VETO in other threads. Look in the archives
TreeCo
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Since it has already been established that there are rare situations where one handing a chainsaw in the tree is the safer option:
Should climbers ask before making a two handed cut if perhaps a one handed cut would be safer for a particular cut?
Or if a much safer hand saw would be safer than a two handed cut due to closeness of the climbing rope/lanyard, etc.?
Or if perhaps they should mover further away and make the cut with a pole saw?
Or if perhaps this cut should be made with a battery powered reciprocating saw?
Camus is in a tree doing a prune at Kafka's Castle.
Be safe out there.
Should climbers ask before making a two handed cut if perhaps a one handed cut would be safer for a particular cut?
Or if a much safer hand saw would be safer than a two handed cut due to closeness of the climbing rope/lanyard, etc.?
Or if perhaps they should mover further away and make the cut with a pole saw?
Or if perhaps this cut should be made with a battery powered reciprocating saw?
Camus is in a tree doing a prune at Kafka's Castle.
Be safe out there.
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southsoundtree
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Its possible that I misunderstood the train of thought, or whatever...
Why would anyone announce that they are about to do something dangerous?
To me, and from me to employees, its hammered in IF you can't do it Safely, DON'T DO IT.
Maybe I'm just in a bubble, or whatever, because I can quickly see mitigations for most dangers, issues, etc.
Tree climbing and tree work isn't like trying to connect humans into the International Space Station, let them live up there a while and bring them back to earth, live and healthy.
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My 'announcement' post wasn't written well I see
Some get what I intended and some don't
All good questions and discussion
Since there is a small window of acceptance for
One-handing there should be some guidelines for crawling through the window. If your policy is 'no/never' fair enough. That's an easy policy to work with.
Mine is pretty close to that though
So when the policy is up for discussion who are the stake holders? First, climber and reacuer. They both need to be aware and vote yes or it's a veto
The rest of the crew will be involved too so
They may not have a vote but must be made aware
I can see pushback if the chainsaw is used like a power machete. It would be cumbersome to get a vote every
Time. I'm not even getting close to that level of acceptance.
Looking at one-handing as a rare procedure is where I'm standing. There are soooo many ways to mitigate the need for one-handing. First, climb...get closer to
The work. That will make a better climber who
Is more efficient. Handsaw...polesaw...on and on. The solutions have all been sharednin this and in this and other threads over the decades
The announcement is used for awareness. The guy who shared the suggestion said that his climbers announced less and less after a while. It was easier and more productive to find a solution The climbers took on a esprit d' corp and were proud of becoming. Egged
Climbers who still kept up production levels.
Safety and Production can exist together
Some get what I intended and some don't
All good questions and discussion
Since there is a small window of acceptance for
One-handing there should be some guidelines for crawling through the window. If your policy is 'no/never' fair enough. That's an easy policy to work with.
Mine is pretty close to that though
So when the policy is up for discussion who are the stake holders? First, climber and reacuer. They both need to be aware and vote yes or it's a veto
The rest of the crew will be involved too so
They may not have a vote but must be made aware
I can see pushback if the chainsaw is used like a power machete. It would be cumbersome to get a vote every
Time. I'm not even getting close to that level of acceptance.
Looking at one-handing as a rare procedure is where I'm standing. There are soooo many ways to mitigate the need for one-handing. First, climb...get closer to
The work. That will make a better climber who
Is more efficient. Handsaw...polesaw...on and on. The solutions have all been sharednin this and in this and other threads over the decades
The announcement is used for awareness. The guy who shared the suggestion said that his climbers announced less and less after a while. It was easier and more productive to find a solution The climbers took on a esprit d' corp and were proud of becoming. Egged
Climbers who still kept up production levels.
Safety and Production can exist together
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