New to Kbooms. Tips?

Jay c
This is dave, we talked about 3 years ago, we were looking for a full time employee, not a contract climber, we tried that out years ago and didn't like it.
I forgot, do you carry your own comp? Equipment?
what do you do in the winter, I know Shawn shuts it down for a good chunk of the year and doesn't work fridays (I would rather be tuna fishing too).
I would urge you to use some discretion about what, methods you describe in a public forum, Shawn is a highly respected and skilled operator/business owner, I am sure he follows all of the z133 standards and runs a safe operation
 
As much as I would like to buy/will buy a Kboom... I agree with Justin; I think "pound for pound" a stick boom would out produce a Kboom (on most job sites.

But, as most Kboom owners would agree; It's the benefits of versatility that win the "value" of the Kboom vs stick boom war.
 
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As much as I would like to buy/will buy a Kboom... I agree with Justin; I think "pound for pound" a stick boom would out produce a Kboom (on most job sites.

But, as most Kboom owners would agree; It's the benefits of versatility that win the "value" of the Kboom vs stick boom war.

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There are so many variables to this I don't think a blanket statement can be made. What kboom vs. what stick boom?

We can reach so much more with the kboom than we could with the stick booms that were in our price range...

For the equal $ the kboom is more productive for us. I am sure there will be situations where we wish we had a winch... but I guarantee there will be more situations where we are happy to have more reach and happy to have the increased ability to navigate obstacles that the kboom provides.

Both are great pieces of equipment. I am not saying one is better than than the other. We chose a kboom because it made sense for us. We looked very hard at stick booms before purchasing the kboom.
 
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As much as I would like to buy/will buy a Kboom... I agree with Justin; I think "pound for pound" a stick boom would out produce a Kboom (on most job sites.

But, as most Kboom owners would agree; It's the benefits of versatility that win the "value" of the Kboom vs stick boom war.

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There are so many variables to this I don't think a blanket statement can be made. What kboom vs. what stick boom?
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You're right. That's why I didn't spend the time to break it down in detail. Too many variables.

However, some points could be worth noting:

A 40 ton stick boom can pick ~1,200lbs at 100'. It takes an 80 ton crane to match that. So, if these two cranes could compete for production on the same tree I still think the stick boom would be slightly more productive.

The reason is because of the extra time involved using extra chokers and not being able to winch up and down as fast.
 
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Jay c
This is dave, we talked about 3 years ago, we were looking for a full time employee, not a contract climber, we tried that out years ago and didn't like it.
I forgot, do you carry your own comp? Equipment?
what do you do in the winter, I know Shawn shuts it down for a good chunk of the year and doesn't work fridays (I would rather be tuna fishing too).
I would urge you to use some discretion about what, methods you describe in a public forum, Shawn is a highly respected and skilled operator/business owner, I am sure he follows all of the z133 standards and runs a safe operation

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Hey Dave...I did not mention Shawn in any way other than to ask someone if they had worked for him. I have nothing but the highest respect for Shawn and his skills.
I also have not worked with him in a year.

To answer your question. I work for 12+ companies in eastern MA 5-7 days a week year round.

You guys have a very impressive operation...i've noticed a lot of growth... good luck with everything
 
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As much as I would like to buy/will buy a Kboom... I agree with Justin; I think "pound for pound" a stick boom would out produce a Kboom (on most job sites.

But, as most Kboom owners would agree; It's the benefits of versatility that win the "value" of the Kboom vs stick boom war.

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There are so many variables to this I don't think a blanket statement can be made. What kboom vs. what stick boom?
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You're right. That's why I didn't spend the time to break it down in detail. Too many variables.

However, some points could be worth noting:

A 40 ton stick boom can pick ~1,200lbs at 100'. It takes an 80 ton crane to match that. So, if these two cranes could compete for production on the same tree I still think the stick boom would be slightly more productive.

The reason is because of the extra time involved using extra chokers and not being able to winch up and down as fast.

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Jamin, you are still stuck on "extra chokers" needed for k-booms.

Extra chokers are not needed for k-booms and I'm sorry if my past posts helped to create that.

More chokers and spider legs, are simply up the the climber and what they prefer.

My k-boom is not as tall as Allmark, Mike Poors and this one. Also not as stout.

Plus I'm the climber and opperator, so therefor I want minimal movement on MY picks.

That's why I set up spider legs.

However, when climbing with my brothers stick crane, I still use spider legs; just because i prefer to see very little movement.

A person with a k-boom could very well do all of their picks with one sling, if they were skilled in that.
 
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As much as I would like to buy/will buy a Kboom... I agree with Justin; I think "pound for pound" a stick boom would out produce a Kboom (on most job sites.

But, as most Kboom owners would agree; It's the benefits of versatility that win the "value" of the Kboom vs stick boom war.

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There are so many variables to this I don't think a blanket statement can be made. What kboom vs. what stick boom?
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You're right. That's why I didn't spend the time to break it down in detail. Too many variables.

However, some points could be worth noting:

A 40 ton stick boom can pick ~1,200lbs at 100'. It takes an 80 ton crane to match that. So, if these two cranes could compete for production on the same tree I still think the stick boom would be slightly more productive.

The reason is because of the extra time involved using extra chokers and not being able to winch up and down as fast.

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Jamin, you are still stuck on "extra chokers" needed for k-booms.

Extra chokers are not needed for k-booms and I'm sorry if my past posts helped to create that.

More chokers and spider legs, are simply up the the climber and what they prefer.

My k-boom is not as tall as Allmark, Mike Poors and this one. Also not as stout.

Plus I'm the climber and opperator, so therefor I want minimal movement on MY picks.

That's why I set up spider legs.

However, when climbing with my brothers stick crane, I still use spider legs; just because i prefer to see very little movement.

A person with a k-boom could very well do all of their picks with one sling, if they were skilled in that.

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Gotcha.
 
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However, when climbing with my brothers stick crane, I still use spider legs; just because i prefer to see very little movement.
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why though?

how many slings would you have used on this pick that didn't move at all?
 

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I've been saying it for 19 yrs now Knucklebooms will out produce sticks on Any site. I used AT & TC's for years. We have dozens of great arborists in my area. Co's with lots of crane exp... ( How do I say.....and still try to sound halfway modest, on all the nastiest crane rmvs I'm doing them in a fraction of the time) they're using the best TC & AT's money can buy. On the simple ones it's a lot closer though. It would take me a bit longer to knock jobs out with a stick even if you throw in an operator!
 
OldDirty,

Here. Used 3 spider legs on this pick, due to long reach and branchy pick.
 

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I am quite comfortable with one sling as well.

before the cut on this odd shaped peice.
 

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Hats off to "NewDirty" I think everyone has known all along that he knows what he's doing. I also think everyone is judged more on attitude more than anything else. (some of the OD statements had me rollin'.....some not so much ....way to personal)
 
after the cut.

butt diameter was thick enough and that extra stub, enough weight to keep the peice in it's same orientation dispite it's odd shape.

Yes, I do choose one sling if I feel I am certain.
 

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yup, I feel like i can actually converse with him now. Might even start to like him.
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that 1 sling was good for 52hundo.... that next pic of the lz was for one job we needed to put the jib on just to be able to land the pieces.

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oldDirty, I would have guessed from the picture that pick of sugar maple was 4,500 lbs.

Was it 5,200 lbs?

Or do you mean the sling was rated for 5200 lbs.

Just curious.

thanks
 
Some of the LARGEST SPIDER legs I've ever held in my hand.

Found these, then let them go.
 

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that was a 5200lb pick. the sling/gunnebo hook combo we use for "small pickings" are good to 7k. any question or when we big pickn we go with the red slings which is good for over 12 with the bigger gunnebo hooks....

i liked that wood pick btw! good balance point rign fo sho.

on that leader pick off the back side it kinda looks like the shorter sling wasn't fully loaded. couldve been the camera angle. picking off the back side its good to keep static but just throwing it out the it looked as if 1 sling under that major union between them longer slings couldve worked too.

sweet pics nonetheless.
 
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