New device from ISC

I feel the heat issue on long descents and possibility of melting rubber based gloves seems to be the concern from I.S.C.
I have been using non leather gloves without any problems
 
I’ve been running it on km3max for two months climbing almost everyday and I e had no slipping issues. I throw on the apex when I bomb out a 80’ decent just to preserve the links, but otherwise it’s not needed. I’ve also used it on hyperclimb and xstatic with no issues. Works beautifully with the cric 3:1. I was using the akimbo 2.0, which I still love and think was a great improvement over the og, but the reflex is my go to everyday now.
 
What’s your leather glove of choice?

Except lately I've been getting them at Costco - 3 pair for $20 or 21.

I've tried several over the years. I'm too cheap to try anything fancy like the $50 Petzl Cordex rappelling gloves, so maybe there are better options that I'm missing out on.

These remain supple. If they feel dry, a little moisture on the leather gets the grip back quickly...by the time that dries out, my hands are usually sweating enough to keep them good for the rest of the day. On rare occasion I'll put a little snow seal on them of they start to feel really dry and slick.

I probably get 6-8 weeks per pair. Usually wear through a finger before any of the stitching starts to go.
 

Except lately I've been getting them at Costco - 3 pair for $20 or 21.

I've tried several over the years. I'm too cheap to try anything fancy like the $50 Petzl Cordex rappelling gloves, so maybe there are better options that I'm missing out on.

These remain supple. If they feel dry, a little moisture on the leather gets the grip back quickly...by the time that dries out, my hands are usually sweating enough to keep them good for the rest of the day. On rare occasion I'll put a little snow seal on them of they start to feel really dry and slick.

I probably get 6-8 weeks per pair. Usually wear through a finger before any of the stitching starts to go.
I've seen those at Costco, and for the price, I know I'll get lots of value out of them for plenty of other things. I am curious now to try this out.
 

PSBM Large Nitrile Coated Work Gloves Grey Nylon Liner & Black Palm 13 Gauge Industrial Nonslip Grip"​

gloves from walmart. super cheap. sorta-disposable. one pair lasts about a week climbing daily. grip for free :) which saves so much energy throughout the day. good dexterity and feel for carabiners and bark and things. my hands feel warmerish in them even in the soaking wet. climbing in them enough, you develop muscle memory dealing with the material snagging easily.​

 
I think it's not just the top "bird" somehow (maybe a stiffer spring here would be nice?). For all the ropes I've tried so far, smoothest descent was when I've switched to a leather glove on the left hand, holding the whole zig zaggy bit and throttling the links with the leather glove. ISC recommends leather gloves and they seem to be right - either Petzl belay gloves or leather work pairs. For me, using a leather glove, the action on the bird became smooth as butter - just like the Petzl zig zag. Works both for rough out leather glove and for smooth cowhide work gloves. My normal rubber faced gloves don't work and I get jerky action, just like ISC says in their instruction booklet. This took a bit of getting used to compared to Zig Zag but once you hit it, the Reflex is now working great. This is what made the biggest difference for me. Again Kudos to ISC Wales.

Addenda: There's this older "Gloves" post on TB I remembered. In fairness to Reflex, I've had my ZZ inhale a latex coated glove some years ago so both probably have "pinch points".
The operation instruction manual for the Reflex is long. I worry about these devices where it requires a more sophisticated, educated user. Let's be honest; rope on rope solves a lot of user error issues...
 
The operation instruction manual for the Reflex is long. I worry about these devices where it requires a more sophisticated, educated user. Let's be honest; rope on rope solves a lot of user error issues...
...until it doesn't. There's a reason that every piece of gear that I can remember reading the instructions for included something along the lines of, "...climbing is inherently dangerous. You could die. Use at your own risk." I have tested a freshly tied hitch until I felt good about it, climbed for a few minutes and only then had it start to not grab consistently, even letting me slide continuously if I allowed it.
 
I don’t think you can get much safer, reliable or intuitive than a Zigzag. It just doesn’t require that much thought to make it work. And with all the fear of them bending or breaking how many times have we seen that be an issue?
That has been the consensus among the guys I have taught the basics to.
 
I don’t think you can get much safer, reliable or intuitive than a Zigzag. It just doesn’t require that much thought to make it work. And with all the fear of them bending or breaking how many times have we seen that be an issue?
I'd argue a unicender is even easier... Except, maybe, for the wrap you are supposed to take for descending on SRS. But a zigzag isn't out of the box/no instructions needed for SRS either needing a wrench above it...

I've gotten to the point They haven't used it maybe 30 times where the reflex attachment has become just as quick and intuitive. But it did take a little bit more practice than the unicenter or zigzag.
 
I got to try the reflex in both MRS and SRS on a rec climb set up. While both the reflex and zigzag may have “links” in common that’s honestly about it at least in my experience. MRS is fine, I miss the self tending of the zigzag in MRS and I do think the best way to describe it is a dialed in hitch in terms of feel at least to me. SRS was good, might have been the rope (squir) but I found it to be kind of akimbo esque where if I was trying to feather it I’d find a sweet spot and then it’d be full speed, that may be lack of time on the device as well but only thing I did find interesting was one of the “lighter” (160#ish) climbers climbing had an issue taking natural crotch redirects where he wasn’t heavy enough for the rope to payout. General consensus was that it would be a good production work device (Pending long term durability) or for anyone trying to break into the mechanical world. Like I said a couple hour rec climb session to get a feel and initial 2 cents.
 

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