Jason Smith aka Fuzzy...from Charlotte

So sorry to hear of this accident and the chain of events that have resulted in Jason's death.

The accident, pain, medical cost, medications, embarrassment, etc., all must have taken a toll on Jason's mental well being. I know they would if it were me. I does not seem right to me to be looking to blame his death on the hospital and medical staff that worked to save him.

It's hard for me to say this but I think Jason is mostly responsible for this tragic chain of events.
 
There can be lot of both negligence and deliberate negligence in emergency rooms to save costs or as a cost of bureaucracy.

I have been stung three times in the last year from deviations from standard procedure in emergency rooms. A friend had a severely broken ankle and the ambulance refused to take her to a local emergency department claiming she wont get the required care from that emergency room...

Whilst I salute those medical personnel and those hospitals that give their all to help those in their community, sometimes there can be some self interested parties involved in undermining such endeavors especially with insurances and protection of professional standing involved.
Sometimes this is a product of money shortages and cost cutting. I have personal knowledge of some internal processes that indicate in some of my local hospitals that it can be about allocation of resources and poor decision making by self interested medical staff - but the system that encourages such behavior is to blame, and that is a political issue. Sometimes what makes emergency rooms work is staff willing to put their own careers on the line to ensure patients get the care they need...

Only the family will know in this case. My deepest sympathies to the family in this case. Can sympathise more than you know - I was once escorted from an emergency room by security when I tried to get re-admitted for an issue that could have caused them embarrassment and exposed them to liability for failure to adequately treat an MVA - and pray that you can forgive the hospital for the grief and loss you have endured, and if you have the energy follow up on the issue to assist future admissions get the care they need...
 
Chaplain242 said:
There can be lot of both negligence and deliberate negligence in emergency rooms to save costs or as a cost of bureaucracy.

I have been stung three times in the last year from deviations from standard procedure in emergency rooms. A friend had a severely broken ankle and the ambulance refused to take her to a local emergency department claiming she wont get the required care from that emergency room...

Whilst I salute those medical personnel and those hospitals that give their all to help those in their community, sometimes there can be some self interested parties involved in undermining such endeavors especially with insurances and protection of professional standing involved.
Sometimes this is a product of money shortages and cost cutting. I have personal knowledge of some internal processes that indicate in some of my local hospitals that it can be about allocation of resources and poor decision making by self interested medical staff - but the system that encourages such behavior is to blame, and that is a political issue. Sometimes what makes emergency rooms work is staff willing to put their own careers on the line to ensure patients get the care they need...

Only the family will know in this case. My deepest sympathies to the family in this case. Can sympathise more than you know - I was once escorted from an emergency room by security when I tried to get re-admitted for an issue that could have caused them embarrassment and exposed them to liability for failure to adequately treat an MVA - and pray that you can forgive the hospital for the grief and loss you have endured, and if you have the energy follow up on the issue to assist future admissions get the care they need...
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I know of a climber who fell and landed on his neck. Went to the ER, and they had him look this way, then the other way, etc.. He checked out just fine then the Doc changed his mind before releasing him and ordered an x-ray... Boom life flight to seattle, the only reason he spinal cord wasn't severed was due to the muscle mass restricted the bones from moving.

So he got lucky.

Any sort of impact to the head hard enough to break a helmet with other injury should warrant MRI's
 
Yea I've never even heard of a hospital letting someone walk without an MRI after trauma to head neck or back areas. where I'm from they try to run way more tests than needed to the point it feels like they are just running up my bill way higher than it should be.
If jason has always had good mental health and Jason wanted an MRI but was denied it, their negligence is liable maybe their not 100percent because they didn't pull the trigger but I see the law convict good citizens for negligent homicide in much weaker cases.
Now I'm not trying to argue bc I wasn't there and I don't know everything but whether their liable or not this man's family should look into it and make sure, if not for a settlement then do it in hopes that the hospital doesn't repeat this mistake again when some other arborist comes in like this.
It's only some phone calls to lawyers, if they think there's a case then they will take it and look into it for you, if not oh well. I don't think this poor girl has anything else to lose.
Thoughts and prayers be with you all.
 
TreeCo said:
So sorry to hear of this accident and the chain of events that have resulted in Jason's death.

The accident, pain, medical cost, medications, embarrassment, etc., all must have taken a toll on Jason's mental well being. I know they would if it were me. I does not seem right to me to be looking to blame his death on the hospital and medical staff that worked to save him.

It's hard for me to say this but I think Jason is mostly responsible for this tragic chain of events.
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Good points made here but I would still look into a suit if Jason has never displayed this behavior before and he wanted the MRI.
 
TreeCo said:
So sorry to hear of this accident and the chain of events that have resulted in Jason's death.

The accident, pain, medical cost, medications, embarrassment, etc., all must have taken a toll on Jason's mental well being. I know they would if it were me. I does not seem right to me to be looking to blame his death on the hospital and medical staff that worked to save him.

It's hard for me to say this but I think Jason is mostly responsible for this tragic chain of events.
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Wow. You just made it easy for me to say that I am done with this community
How dare you.
 
Tree Girl said:
Wow. You just made it easy for me to say that I am done with this community
How dare you.
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The tree-folk community is diverse, and online treefolk have an amplified version of opinions. Can't imagine your pain. Although you may not know it, this story has affected many workers and perhaps helped save other partners from loss in the future. Putting the truth and real life shitty fucking shit out there IS HELPFUL!
 
Tree Girl said:
Wow. You just made it easy for me to say that I am done with this community
How dare you.
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Not all sentiments by members of this forum are shared by the rest of the forum. I for one don’t know enough about the incident to point out fault or blame on anyone at the scene of accident, or on behalf of the hospital treatment.

But you have my sympathies and pray that you and your family will not be defined by what happened, and I pray that your future will be brighter than it may appear at this point in time...
 
Tree Girl said:
Wow. You just made it easy for me to say that I am done with this community
How dare you.
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Please accept my apology.

I lost my younger brother to suicide in 2002. He was 40 years old. Believe me when I say my family considered dozens of various scenarios as to why, and of course we still don't know.

I don't think I'll ever get over it, but I do see it in a different light 17 years later.

I'm so sorry for your loss.
 
Thanx, Tom, very sorry to hear this. Sorry for the loss to all, miss Tree Girl especially.
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i'm kinda used to them and over offer MRI, catscan etc. like used car salesman padding invoice higher; but always suspected too CYA involved on their end.
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i'd put this in front of 2 lawyers, that are highly respected; and specifically not known for fluffing any ridiculous thing that walked in the door to a high pay off. Just to let them take a whiff and see if they think it passes the laugh test, and a reality check on how this works thru local courts. If nothing else seems like hospital should have CYA'd into getting him to reject or sign off further services, as at same time let him know they had more to offer as a sales thingy. Many other businesses that don't deal with life would have followed that formulae for CYA... Might even take bluff towards homeowner's insurance to gain more velocity towards hospital. Lawyer would know those leverage-able mechanix and pressure points not visible to the naked eye in this game.
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i was sitting watching tv at best friend's house around the corner 9pm. His 23 yr old son was big, healthy, laughing. Joking about me teaching him to swim and then trying to drown him under guise of teaching him to swim just in in-ground pool 50' behind us. He hung himself the next morning; stunning many that it still haunts. i've known my buddy since before he met his ex-wife, was there when they were introduced etc. i had a week off starting the next day, and so went to hospital etc. with buddy daily, paced thru stages with him/as i was kinda riding point on those stages; until having to talk about unplugging his son etc. That week seemed like months; . Ya just never know..
 
TreeCo said:
Please accept my apology.

I lost my younger brother to suicide in 2002. He was 40 years old. Believe me when I say my family considered dozens of various scenarios as to why, and of course we still don't know.

I don't think I'll ever get over it, but I do see it in a different light 17 years later.

I'm so sorry for your loss.
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You can't unring that bell. Way to go Treeco! You're a gem!
 
Hello
I just want to say that YES I was very hurt by what treeCo said but me being the overly honest person that Jason loved..I can say that Jason was responsible for taking the job and trusting a new groundy.
The original accident would not have happened if he walked that day.
I walked away from that very same job and begged Jason too.
Jason is to blame...the ground guy..the hospital for not doing an MRI ...and his partner in life and business ME.

5 years Jason and I worked together and not once did I not have his back.
The one time I wasn't there and now he is dead.
I understand saying things you regret or not understanding the impact the words have.
I am SO guilty of that.
I was very angry at Jason for not listening to me that day.
I said things I will always regret...but we lived an honest life.
Tell it like it is.
I LOVE YOU AND IM HERE FOR YOU ALWAYS should have been what I said....but it wasn't.

He is gone forever.
This Earth lost a tremendous person.
And I lost my soulmate and my very best friend.
We believe in Karma...and mine is an eternal heartache for not being there when Jason needed me the most.

Thank you for ALL your support.
I will continue Green Life Tree Care for Jason the best that I can.
 
Tree Girl said:
Hello
I just want to say that YES I was very hurt by what treeCo said but me being the overly honest person that Jason loved..I can say that Jason was responsible for taking the job and trusting a new groundy.
The original accident would not have happened if he walked that day.
I walked away from that very same job and begged Jason too.
Jason is to blame...the ground guy..the hospital for not doing an MRI ...and his partner in life and business ME.

5 years Jason and I worked together and not once did I not have his back.
The one time I wasn't there and now he is dead.
I understand saying things you regret or not understanding the impact the words have.
I am SO guilty of that.
I was very angry at Jason for not listening to me that day.
I said things I will always regret...but we lived an honest life.
Tell it like it is.
I LOVE YOU AND IM HERE FOR YOU ALWAYS should have been what I said....but it wasn't.

He is gone forever.
This Earth lost a tremendous person.
And I lost my soulmate and my very best friend.
We believe in Karma...and mine is an eternal heartache for not being there when Jason needed me the most.

Thank you for ALL your support.
I will continue Green Life Tree Care for Jason the best that I can.
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No words, other than I wish you the very best.
 
Tree Girl said:
It may be that Jason had an unseen brain injury from the accident and he didn't know what he was doing when he shot himself.
We where not legally married so the family has taken over and I am completely lost without him.
If not for our 4 legged kids I'm sure I would be joining him. Its the worst pain in my soul.
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My deepest sympathies...
 
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