ISA Code of Ethics

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If a CA goes out and tops a bunch of trees, we all look worse to those who know better; those who don't know better think topping is okay; and society loses a resource for stormwater control, air filtering, electricity savings, pavement protection, etc. I think this is a worse violation, and also should be reported. I don't usually think of myself as a tattletale, but if this makes me one, so be it.

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Blah Blah where were you in the bradford topping thread, pretty much your all full of it, none of ya will report a follow TB'er thats for sure. I feel sorry for the Non buzzers that follow trend of other unethical ISA CA's and get ratted on.
 
Narc me off Holly, and I'll cut your desk in half with an antique McCulloch chainsaw!

I wonder if it was really Paul Newman doing that very thing in "Never Give An Inch"?

jomoco
 
Holly, come on man. You wanna include everyone in you post, but I already said I am not gonna report anyone, and that I only have the time to police myself and my guys, end of story. And others in this tread have stated the same. I still love ya man.

D.W.H
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just to clarify i just went to the website for my info. i got no info on the process.

Methinks maybe some molehills are being misread into mountains.

yup jo i think that was him. Sometimes i get a great notion, to fall into the river and drown, Hubie Ledbetter.
 
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just to clarify i just went to the website for my info. i got no info on the process.

Methinks maybe some molehills are being misread into mountains.

yup jo i think that was him. Sometimes i get a great notion, to fall into the river and drown, Hubie Ledbetter.

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Yu know Guy, as I recall from the movie, that scene was shot from behind so it's hard to say for sure. I remember the mac starting 1st or 2nd pull, and the newspaper covering the bar flying off as the chain started moving.

What makes me think it wasn't actually Newman was how confident the saw operator was cutting that desk in half with first the lower bar, then finishing the cut with the top of his bar, just like a confident pro would.

I'm gonna have to rent it and watch it again now!

jomoco
 
If we wish it to be a "professional" associations as consumers understand that to be then it will be governed as others "professional" associations are. I've yet to come across one that doesn't have a "morality" clause.

Once again, I repeat, it is a voluntary association, if one doesn't agree with the code then one doesn't have to join. With the benefits of association come responsibilities. Could it be worded better? I think so. Could the process be detailed so one knows how this will play out? Absolutely. Let's get on them to inform us of how this is being developed.

They do have a discussion forum on the ISA website, how many of you are on that?
 
I sent some more e-mails.Ive discussed this with a few of the locals and it seems to have them in a buzz also.These are guys that are industry complient for the most part.Ive been thinking about this alot and I see three key problems.One I believe it is and invasion of privacy.Two I think it border line infringess on constitutional rights and three it undermind my own personal ethics of not betraying others.I think this could even violate my relegious convictions and and conscience if I obeyed this policy.I cannot violate the trust of relationships I have with others.I believe if I see a trangression I go to that person and try to correct them..Yes I know its I private organization and I dont have to join.But you know what Ive been a member for a long time and I guess I feel ignored a little.I just wonder what would this organization be without its members-nothing.
 
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I sent some more e-mails.Ive discussed this with a few of the locals and it seems to have them in a buzz also.These are guys that are industry complient for the most part.Ive been thinking about this alot and I see three key problems.One I believe it is and invasion of privacy.

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Treehumper summed it up very well.

It's voluntary. Has nothing to do with invasion of privacy.

If someone wants to do something unethical out in public view, that's advertising one's own lifestyle.



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I'm sure we all do something unethical every day in public view,or in private dopesnt make any less guilty. Humans have a long history of looking past our own transgressions but destroying others for theirs but like you said it is voluntary and I will certainly walk away as will many others I'm sure.
 
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I'm sure we all do something unethical every day in public view,or in private dopesnt make any less guilty. Humans have a long history of looking past our own transgressions but destroying others for theirs but like you said it is voluntary and I will certainly walk away as will many others I'm sure.

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Survival of the fittest ??

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Crazy Jimmy,

I love it when a person's signature line matches the point they are making in their post. Nice.

Treehumper, MDVaden,

I'm not so sure ISA Certification IS entirely voluntary, bear with me as I explain...

The area I live/work in has some quite stringent tree bylaws, this is generally a good thing, unless a tree is established as a pollarded specimen or a hedge, indiscriminate topping is out, contravention of bylaw.

There are also many native species of tree that you must obtain a permit to prune. The permit process is reasonable, does not overly restrict proper tree care, the by-law officers responsible for trees are all ISA CA's or better themselves. I say excellent, cuts down on "hacks with a ladder and a Poulan."

When you obtain the permit your targets are often spelled out to the letter and each permit contains the clause "All Work to be Performed by A Certified Arborist Without the Use of Spurs." The same clause is to be found on any contract for work performed on municipally owned trees or trees in any common area or public space. (Cemeteries, schoolgrounds, etc, etc.)

Again, I say great, it has taken years of diligent lobbying on the part of professional tree service companies in this area to get the industry to this point.

This means that any competent arborist unable or unwilling to obtain Certification has a very low value to offer an employer, and any Company without a CA on staff is severely limited in the jobs they can take on.

So to that extent, I would argue that ISA Certification is not entirely voluntary here, I really need it if I wish to be a fully involved member of the tree care industry.

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In the simplest sense, it is entirely voluntary.

But culturally, you have a point.

If someone did not want the certification to do tree work, they may also need to move to another town or niche to make money doing the same thing.

Of course, if we don't eat food or drink water we die. So eating and drinking would not be voluntary either if we look at it that way.
 
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Likely drug and alcohol testing is being considered.

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I doubt it, testing comes into play after an accident, if there is some formal investigation, or testing can come into play as a condition of employment. I seriously doubt that the ISA would force CA applicants into a drug/alcohol test.
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Drug and alcohol testing. F that. That is so far over the edge that it is ridiculous. Test me to see if I have had a beer or two the night b4. Over the edge and off the cliff.

Gimme a break. I dont know a CA or BCMA who doesnt like to have a beer or a little reef here and there. JK, about the reef part, but seriously, beer drinking, crazy.

D.W.H

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If you read tops link carefully and take it at face value we should all be pissed off. Do you want to report anything wrong or anything you have been accused of and have that public record? That stuff has nothing to do with running a business ethically. I hope you guys read what you will have to sign to renew your cert and tell ISA to take a hike on that account
 
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