Hitch Hiker
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bonner1040
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I go heavy on the wraps as well. either a 6-0 or a 7-0 VT is what I call it. I use HRC.
Cool, Nick. Yeah, I found that more wraps with the OP 8mm was nice since the supple characteristics allowed it to grab more reliably without being so tight that it would sacrifice slack tending.
I haven't tried every climb line/hitch cord combination, of course, but that OP 8mm was my fav by a long shot.
I haven't tried every climb line/hitch cord combination, of course, but that OP 8mm was my fav by a long shot.
Funny how I was under a different understanding of tying a hitch, when I actually thought I was holding true to original terminology.
My previous understanding was that if you're tying a hitch with a closed loop of line (or a large eye on something like a footlock loop), you'd get two coils for every wrap, because it's doubled line. A girth hitch would be 2 coils, etc...
I went back to 'On Rope' again, and there is actually a discrepancy between all this on pages 52 and 53.
Sorry for the derail, I just get into this kinda stuff.
My previous understanding was that if you're tying a hitch with a closed loop of line (or a large eye on something like a footlock loop), you'd get two coils for every wrap, because it's doubled line. A girth hitch would be 2 coils, etc...
I went back to 'On Rope' again, and there is actually a discrepancy between all this on pages 52 and 53.
Sorry for the derail, I just get into this kinda stuff.
Oceans, trust me I wasn't hassling you about semantics, if you knew me you would know I am far from anal about such stuff. I was merely commenting about the 7 wraps. When I was developing the HH I tried many hitches and found the 5 wrap prussic to be my favorite. For me going to a 6 wrap was undesirable as it added greatly to the drag when ascending, however as stated I discounted OP because with a 5 wrap it didnt grab reliably. Perhaps I need to revisit it.
Obviously "Ropetek" has to make recommendations for a safe system. IMO 10mm beeline tied with a 5 wrap prussic with a 2" gap between the top of the HH and the bottom of the 4th coil when loaded with body weight, is a safe system as it will reliably grab every time. Interesting to see others findings as long as they take responsibility for their actions...
Obviously "Ropetek" has to make recommendations for a safe system. IMO 10mm beeline tied with a 5 wrap prussic with a 2" gap between the top of the HH and the bottom of the 4th coil when loaded with body weight, is a safe system as it will reliably grab every time. Interesting to see others findings as long as they take responsibility for their actions...
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i havent switched hitch cords yet. ive just been running the system as instructed with a six wrap prussic. was a bit grabby on and less smooth on the tachyon. the poison ivy was as smooth as glass. i did notice a bit to much grab on on ascent and slack tending though. ill try a five wrap today
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- Renton, WA USA
My brother was here for chrismtas and showed me how he typically ascends on a HH. He uses a futura for one hand and grabs a biner under the futura with the other hand(or sometimes just the futura). (Leg loop on futura and pantine).
My first impression was I like the position better than what I had been doing, more upright. The biner under the futura seems slick, great position for other hand.
My first impression was I like the position better than what I had been doing, more upright. The biner under the futura seems slick, great position for other hand.
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- Renton, WA USA
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Light weight, simple, safe and efficient...thank you Hitch Hiker.
Dave
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Was it similar to this?
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Yes. I had to actually try it to understand how nice the wrist positioning is. They key was the futura, as opposed to the position of say a petzl handled ascender.
I might buy a futura myself, but I was having problems a couple days ago with a borrowed futura not consistently grabbing on some HTP once up a ways. Very repeatable and was not jammed with crud, my hand was not touching cam, etc.
I tried to reproduce the problem for demonstration purposed yesterday hanging on the same rope in the shop and couldn't.
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Light weight, simple, safe and efficient...thank you Hitch Hiker.
Dave
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Was it similar to this?
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Yes. I had to actually try it to understand how nice the wrist positioning is. They key was the futura, as opposed to the position of say a petzl handled ascender.
I might buy a futura myself, but I was having problems a couple days ago with a borrowed futura not consistently grabbing on some HTP once up a ways. Very repeatable and was not jammed with crud, my hand was not touching cam, etc.
I tried to reproduce the problem for demonstration purposed yesterday hanging on the same rope in the shop and couldn't.
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- atlanta,ga
could you please post a pic of this?
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- Randolph, MA
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I might buy a futura myself, but I was having problems a couple days ago with a borrowed futura not consistently grabbing on some HTP once up a ways. Very repeatable and was not jammed with crud, my hand was not touching cam, etc.
I tried to reproduce the problem for demonstration purposed yesterday hanging on the same rope in the shop and couldn't.
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You're not alone with that one. I've had that happen with a futura and others have posted the same.
The best advice I have is to give the cam a light squeeze with your thumb before you load it. You can also try giving the whole futura a slight tilt before you load it.
It may seem cumbersome to do either of those things at first but it they're really just small motions that become muscle memory quickly.
I might buy a futura myself, but I was having problems a couple days ago with a borrowed futura not consistently grabbing on some HTP once up a ways. Very repeatable and was not jammed with crud, my hand was not touching cam, etc.
I tried to reproduce the problem for demonstration purposed yesterday hanging on the same rope in the shop and couldn't.
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You're not alone with that one. I've had that happen with a futura and others have posted the same.
The best advice I have is to give the cam a light squeeze with your thumb before you load it. You can also try giving the whole futura a slight tilt before you load it.
It may seem cumbersome to do either of those things at first but it they're really just small motions that become muscle memory quickly.
chris_girard
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I want to try fat Vortex...
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I've got some coming in next week Paul, I'll let you know how it goes.
I want to try fat Vortex...
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I've got some coming in next week Paul, I'll let you know how it goes.
goodaking
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I'm Definitely looking forward to trying out the HH this month! I'm hoping some of you guys can bring it down with you in January.
The soft acending tethers look great guys!
The soft acending tethers look great guys!
chris_girard
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I'm Definitely looking forward to trying out the HH this month! I'm hoping some of you guys can bring it down with you in January.
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What's in January?
I'm Definitely looking forward to trying out the HH this month! I'm hoping some of you guys can bring it down with you in January.
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What's in January?
chris_girard
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Gotcha thanks.
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