Switching between SRS & MRS....

Zebco Kid said:
It's always been curious to me how many hobbies pull you in with equipment: fly fishing, climbing, hunting, cycling, motorcycling, etc. Then...the experienced people frequently return to the bare bones for the beauty of the activity.

Anyway...interesting to me.
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Having been involved in those same hobbies (except motorcycles) I find it interesting too and actually in the (albeit slow) process of getting rid of all the unnecessary equipment. I went through a major downsizing after a divorce and a lot of "hobby stuff" just got thrown in boxes. Now I'm going through it all and it feels so good to be getting rid of stuff and simplifying everything.

I often think back to when I was young teen and only had one fly rod that got strapped to the top tube of my mtn bike and a little green army bag I picked up at a garage sale slung over my shoulder with a few misc flies and tools. I had a blast because of the adventure not because of the equipment. Try to remind myself of that when the urge hits to buy another gadget....although I did cave recently and pick up an HHXF even though I'm just rec climbing these days, too cool to pass up :D
 
Yesterday I tried footlocking on a short VT Prussic and one carabiner instead of a Klemheist. I stopped and came down on a figure 8.

My question,
Is it technically within our standards to descend on the VT when it’s around a double rope without the figure 8?

Thanks in advance
 
Redbud33 said:
Yesterday I tried footlocking on a short VT Prussic and one carabiner instead of a Klemheist. I stopped and came down on a figure 8.

My question,
Is it technically within our standards to descend on the VT when it’s around a double rope without the figure 8?

Thanks in advance
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I don't trust the VT in that case for grabbing, or descending. I've had a klemheist completely fail around a doubled rope on the way up. Only thing I trust is an English prusik for ascent, or mechanicals. And switch over to something else to come down.
 
a hitch will grab better around a thicker or doubled up rope but it‘s still 100% load on the hitch so not advisable to descend on it without added friction.
 
lot of great ideas in here. I switch fairly often. its nice to ascend quickly on SRT and then have the ease of MRS motion for the remaining climb. A lot of time it's just a necessity if I'd like to do MRS but it's not favorable to isolate a branch for TIP.

Related is that I've been more ready to take a lower TIP, easier toss from the ground, and plan on installing my true system once I get up there. This could be setting a canopy anchor and then advancing a bit before setting a friction saver etc.

It's pretty nice on some days to keep an SRT access line and a MRS that can move easily, centering itself around the portion of the work. Use both, use one or the other, its a good day.
I had two very nice climbs recently, Each involving working very tight, near houses. I kept the SRT high and opposite the work in something strong and the MRS on smaller things local to the action, outside the rigging.

Generally it's felt very worth it to devote a bit more time to my initial climbing setup and enjoy it all day.
 
HHXF. I’m right with you. A super well thought out piece of kit, and enjoyable to use. You can’t say that about too many pieces of equipment.
brydan said:
Having been involved in those same hobbies (except motorcycles) I find it interesting too and actually in the (albeit slow) process of getting rid of all the unnecessary equipment. I went through a major downsizing after a divorce and a lot of "hobby stuff" just got thrown in boxes. Now I'm going through it all and it feels so good to be getting rid of stuff and simplifying everything.

I often think back to when I was young teen and only had one fly rod that got strapped to the top tube of my mtn bike and a little green army bag I picked up at a garage sale slung over my shoulder with a few misc flies and tools. I had a blast because of the adventure not because of the equipment. Try to remind myself of that when the urge hits to buy another gadget....although I did cave recently and pick up an HHXF even though I'm just rec climbing these days, too cool to pass up :D
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Hoping to revive this thread for a moment if the group will indulge me. Related to Zebco's original question, I was watching this video where Taylor Hamel is discussing attaching an MRS climb system to his SRS climb line. I usually just climb and work SRS, but thought I might like to try this type of dual system.

In the video, at about 6:30, he ties a Pinto prusik to the climb line with an alpine butterfly stopper knot directly below it. Then proceeds to run his MRS climb line through the Pinto, pulls the MRS anchor up to where he thinks he will be using it and then ties his basal tie. The idea is that he uses SRS to climb to the work area, the switches over to his MRS system that is already attached to the SRS climb line to work.

My question is this: A Pinto prusik is a rather expensive piece of gear that I don't currently have. However, I do have a DMM Revolver Rig pulley. I am wondering if there is any reason I can't just tie an alpine butterfly in my SRS climb line, attach the Revolver Rig to the butterfly and use that to support my MRS climb system? Like this...
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And, could this also be done with a regular Pinto Pulley attached to the butterfly with a carabiner?

Seems to me that this would be safe as all the parts are properly rated and the alpine can't pull out. One other advantage to this is it seems to be easier than setting a friction saver for the MRS system.

I would appreciate hearing your opinions on this.
 
You should never switch between your wife (MRS) and her sisters (SRS). You married your wife, stick with her if you know what's good for you.

Hanging a DRT rope off a base tied SRT line was a competition trick where on hoisting the DRT line up it automatically isolated the DRT line, eliminating the time wasted isolating a normally installed DRT line.
 
I'm not a fan of loose biners.

I'd clove hitch the biner to guarantee orientation. Leaving that butterfly's open eye out of the equation is better.

Keep the hardware away from the tree, rather that resting on/ against it.




Do you normally prefer a pulley for MRS?
 
outside of the comp advantages, this would allow for the potential of an aerial rescue to be performed from the ground in certain situations.
 
I recall it as being one of the things called secret weapon.

Just occurred to me. While being a bit overdone with jiggery, it offers DRT isolated rope action but simultaneously the basal SRT hoist up can offer the catch-TIP-redundancy, best of both worlds, don't have to choose.

Depending on your choice of hardware the DRT TIP can be lower tension ratio like a pulley has, mid like ring and ring, mid like ?forget who's new device or non-advantageous like a stuck block/natural crotch, each with it's choice of the amount of reduced drag on ascent vs less loading on your hitch/device at position/descending. You could cheat and use a one way ratchet pulley for easy ascent and light device loading on descent. If we're into busting out gear mode.

edit - to clarify, more tension ratio/drag makes ascent suck but improves lightness of loading/performance of device on descent. You probably already know that.
 
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