Fu*%face Von Clownstick

[Rusticus]

Gender and what biology someone is assigned at birth is not the same thing.

It is very much the same thing. The plumbing you have dictates your gender: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/female

If somebody is more masculine than typical of a woman or more feminine that a typical male, that's ok. But to say I'm really a woman in a man's body is ridiculous. This is why we have cauliflower crust being used on pizza...we can just make anything what we want it to be.

 

[rico]

I’ll extend this olive branch: not even Joe knows what the hell he was saying. Then or now.

Do I dare ask you: What is a woman? (Hint: it’s not complicated)

For the record, I’m willing to drop this derail topic and get back to talking all things Trump unless y’all want to keep going.

I am curious why you feel so threatened by transgenderism Buck? I have friends and family members who are transgender and I can assure you they are no different than you and I. They want to live their lives with as they see fit and be afforded all the same privileges, protections, and freedoms as you and I.

 

[owScott]

It is very much the same thing. The plumbing you have dictates your gender: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/female

If somebody is more masculine than typical of a woman or more feminine that a typical male, that's ok. But to say I'm really a woman in a man's body is ridiculous. This is why we have cauliflower crust being used on pizza...we can just make anything what we want it to be.

You may try defining gender or clicking on the part on your link that says gender identity. For some people cauliflower crust is how pizza should be. You are saying , no if pizza isnt how I define it its not pizza.

 

[rico]

It is very much the same thing. The plumbing you have dictates your gender: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/female

If somebody is more masculine than typical of a woman or more feminine that a typical male, that's ok. But to say I'm really a woman in a man's body is ridiculous. This is why we have cauliflower crust being used on pizza...we can just make anything what we want it to be.

Speaking of ridiculous, could you imagine conflating gender identity with pizza crust? Now that fucking ridiculous!

 

[owScott]

I am curious why you feel so threatened by transgenderism Buck? I have friends and family members who are transgender and I can assure you they are no different than you and I. They want to live their lives with as they see fit and be afforded all the same privileges, protections, and freedoms as you and I.

Understand, this portion of the population defines freedom as do what you like unless I do not like it or understand it. Closely related to fake patriotism.

 

[Shadowscape]

Why does anyone give a rat's ass what other people do with their bodies, or who other people love. If a man wants to be a woman, or a woman want to be a man, what skin is it off your nose? If two fellows want to be married and love each other, is it going to make your life miserable?
I think everybody should just mind their own business and let other do whatever they want with themselves that make them happier people. And let's quit arguing about, what is a woman. The question is argumentative from the get go, just trying to provoke a non-response.
How about getting back to doing their job of running the country and stop with the childish banter.

 

[owScott]

Speaking of ridiculous, could you imagine conflating gender identity with pizza crust? Now that fucking ridiculous!

Yeah that too

 

[owScott]

It is very much the same thing. The plumbing you have dictates your gender: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/female

If somebody is more masculine than typical of a woman or more feminine that a typical male, that's ok. But to say I'm really a woman in a man's body is ridiculous. This is why we have cauliflower crust being used on pizza...we can just make anything what we want it to be.

No where on that page does it say biological equipment dictates gender. Gender is a social construct. Once again I invite you to click on the gender identity part on the link you posted.

 

[Shadowscape]

It is very much the same thing. The plumbing you have dictates your gender: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/female

Besides, I don't think I want a publishing company making rules for us anyway.

 

[owScott]

Why does anyone give a rat's ass what other people do with their bodies, or who other people love. If a man wants to be a woman, or a woman want to be a man, what skin is it off your nose? If two fellows want to be married and love each other, is it going to make your life miserable?
I think everybody should just mind their own business and let other do whatever they want with themselves that make them happier people. And let's quit arguing about, what is a woman. The question is argumentative from the get go, just trying to provoke a non-response.
How about getting back to doing their job of running the country and stop with the childish banter.

I agree, the part that burns my ass is these same people want government control all over these things but when it come to "religious libertys", gun control, enviromental regs they are a total hands off.

 

[owScott]

I agree, the part that burns my ass is these same people want government control all over these things but when it come to "religious libertys", gun control, enviromental regs they are a total hands off.

Anyone care to post up the meaning of hypocrisy?

 

[Mick Dempsey]

You can pretend to be a woman, that’s your choice.

If you want me to pretend you’re a woman, that’s my choice.

 

[treegongfu]

I don't see anyone arguing against men identifying as women or women identifying as men.

The objections to gender theory are that they are demanding that men have the right to enter woman's and female children's bathrooms, change rooms, bath houses, jails, and sports.

Also that they are pushing this on vulnerable children with devestating and irreversible consequences. That children are being encouraged and allowed to surgically and chemicaly mutilate and castrate themselves. It should disturb everyone.

That is not hating anyone. Nor is it infringing on anyone's rights to identify however they like.

It is also very intellectually dishonest to make the claim that these people are motivated by hate.

 

[Njdelaney]

You can pretend to be a woman, that’s your choice.

If you want me to pretend you’re a woman, that’s my choice.

What you choose to believe and how you choose to treat a person are separate things. This isn't a debate about making people believe things they don't want to, it is a debate about how to treat someone who is different than you, in spite of what you think. If you're saying that calling someone by a different pronoun than what you believe suits them is somehow a hardship for you, it may be you who is the fragile one. If you tell me your last name is pronounced very differently than what I think it should be based on the way it looks to me and how it's spelled, I'm going to say it the way you want me to say it because it is YOUR identity that I'm talking about, not mine.

 

[Mick Dempsey]

What you choose to believe and how you choose to treat a person are separate things. This isn't a debate about making people believe things they don't want to, it is a debate about how to treat someone who is different than you, in spite of what you think.

Everyone is different to me, but they’re either male or female (except for a minuscule minority of genuinely intersex)

If you're saying that calling someone by a different pronoun than what you believe suits them is somehow a hardship for you, it may be you who is the fragile one.

No great hardship, but I’m unwilling to pander to their mental illness (especially the “they/them“ brigade)

If you tell me your last name is pronounced very differently than what I think it should be based on the way it looks to me and how it's spelled, I'm going to say it the way you want me to say it because it is YOUR identity that I'm talking about, not mine.

This has zero relevance
The French consistently mispronounce my name, I have no issue with it, I dont even correct them.

 

[owScott]

I don't see anyone arguing against men identifying as women or women identifying as men.

The objections to gender theory are that they are demanding that men have the right to enter woman's and female children's bathrooms, change rooms, bath houses, jails, and sports.

Also that they are pushing this on vulnerable children with devestating and irreversible consequences. That children are being encouraged and allowed to surgically and chemicaly mutilate and castrate themselves. It should disturb everyone.

That is not hating anyone. Nor is it infringing on anyone's rights to identify however they like.

It is also very intellectually dishonest to make the claim that these people are motivated by hate.

Ironic how another group demands people respect their liberties based on the "Trinty", a concept the majority of followers dont understand or can even explain. Furthermore this group of people is the main driver of the unwillingness to accept other peolpes request to be respected based on what they believe.

 

[Njdelaney]

Everyone is different to me, but they’re either male or female (except for a minuscule minority of genuinely intersex)

If you're saying that calling someone by a different pronoun than what you believe suits them is somehow a hardship for you, it may be you who is the fragile one.

No great hardship, but I’m unwilling to pander to their mental illness (especially the “they/them“ brigade)

If you tell me your last name is pronounced very differently than what I think it should be based on the way it looks to me and how it's spelled, I'm going to say it the way you want me to say it because it is YOUR identity that I'm talking about, not mine.

This has zero relevance
The French consistently mispronounce my name, I have no issue with it, I dont even correct them.

The fact that you believe that mental illness is at the crux of anything other than binary gender identity is a conversation ender for me. We're coming from different world views and mine is much more accepting than yours.

 

[Shadowscape]

You can pretend to be a woman, that’s your choice.

If you want me to pretend you’re a woman, that’s my choice.

You are making a wrong assumption with the use of the word, PRETEND.
If you have the genes that allows your brain to have that of a woman, but the body of a man. Are they pretending?
I don't think, pretend comes into play here. Let them swap out the parts that don't fit the brain patterns and let them be who their brain says they are. No one is going to get a sex reassignment just because they want to. At least in the U.S. it won't happen. They have to go through many serious testing and evaluations before a doctor will do such a thing to make sure the brain truly is in line with that program, not just because someone wants to.
And yes, it is your right to not want to go along with that if you so choose, but I don't understand why you would care one bit. It is not hurting you in any way.
The bathroom bit is pure garbage. What the hell difference does it make if girls and boys are in the same bathroom? That is a "Church Ladies" phobia that anyone with a brain should just laugh at. Japan has gender neutral bathrooms and it works out just fine.
Sports... We need to do away with that stupid, boys sports and girls sports and just have sports. Everybody plays all sports. On average the girls will be better at some sports and the boys will be better at other sports. So what?
There is a mental blockage that humans seem to have that we must somehow keep male and female separated with walls and rules. It is just bullshit. We are all humans as one species. We did this with the military for a lot of years. Oh, we can't have women in combat. Turns out the woman are pretty damn good at combat and now we want more of them.
You may not like it, and that is up to you, but don't try to limit someone else to your ideas either. And just because you think someone is pretending, doesn't make it so, unless you have been through some serious medical training along those lines. If I have a Ford and it has a Chevy trunk lid, it is not a Chevy. It is a Ford with a wrong part.

 

[Mick Dempsey]

You are making a wrong assumption with the use of the word, PRETEND.
If you have the genes that allows your brain to have that of a woman, but the body of a man. Are they pretending?

Err, yes they are.
Show me how they have brains of a woman, some kind of medical proof.

I don't think, pretend comes into play here. Let them swap out the parts that don't fit the brain patterns and let them be who their brain says they are. No one is going to get a sex reassignment just because they want to. At least in the U.S. it won't happen. They have to go through many serious testing and evaluations before a doctor will do such a thing to make sure the brain truly is in line with that program, not just because someone wants to.
And yes, it is your right to not want to go along with that if you so choose, but I don't understand why you would care one bit. It is not hurting you in any way.
The bathroom bit is pure garbage. What the hell difference does it make if girls and boys are in the same bathroom? That is a "Church Ladies" phobia that anyone with a brain should just laugh at. Japan has gender neutral bathrooms and it works out just fine.
Sports... We need to do away with that stupid, boys sports and girls sports and just have sports. Everybody plays all sports. On average the girls will be better at some sports and the boys will be better at other sports. So what?

Any sport that requires endurance, athleticism and strength will always be won by biological males.
When you allow biological males to compete in woman’s sport you erase women sports.

There is a mental blockage that humans seem to have that we must somehow keep male and female separated with walls and rules. It is just bullshit. We are all humans as one species. We did this with the military for a lot of years. Oh, we can't have women in combat. Turns out the woman are pretty damn good at combat and now we want more of them.

Check this out.

 

[Mick Dempsey]

Interesting conversation. I live in an area that has loads of queer and trans peeps of all sorts. I'm proud to live in a tolerant and accepting place. Sex change surgery on kids is a little extreme though imo. I'd wait, personally. But I don't give a damn what other people do in this regard. Much bigger issues that this distracts from. Like the all encompassing anti life pro profit military industrial complex. That's something we could and should all work against.

Just because there’s other things going on, doesn’t mean other issues aren’t important and can’t be discussed.
This particular issue is the the very frontline of the Culture Wars imo. which makes it very important.