end of free speach signed into law by Obama

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Would you tea partiers believe that Saudi Arabia brought down the USSR?

But there was a more immediate explanation for the collapse of the Soviet Union provided by Yegor Gaidar, who had been acting prime minister of Russia from June of 1992 to December of 1992 and a key figure in the transformation of the Russian economy. In his last work,

Collapse of an Empire: Lessons for Modern Russia, published in 2007 Gaidar provides a powerful explanation for the collapse of the Soviet Union. Soviet agriculture had stagnated in the 1980's but the demand for grain in the cities was increasing. It was necessary to buy grain in the international market. While the price of petroleum was high it was feasible to finance the purchase of grain from internal sources. When the price of petroleum fell in the last 1980's the Soviet Union needed to borrow the funds from Western banks to purchase the needed grain. This severely restricted the international activities of the Soviet Union. It could not send in Soviet troops to put down the rebellions against communism in Eastern Europe because such an action would have resulted in a refusal of Western sources to lend the money needed. Likewise the attempted coup d'état was doomed to failure because the coup leaders would not have been able to borrow the funds needed to stave off starvation in the major cities.

Although Gaidar's book does not delve into the reason for the decline in petroleum prices in the late 1980's there is evidence that this occurred because of a conspiracy between the American Central Intelligence Agency (C.I.A.) the leaders of Saudi Arabia to punish the Soviet Union for its invasion of Afghanistan. Saudi Arabia increased its production of petroleum drastically and consequently the price of petroleum felL

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jomoco
 
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Social Security helped more people out of destitute poverty than all your sanctimonious self righteous churches combined Taitree.


jomoco

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Social Security is a disgusting joke. It's obscene I should have to pay into a system that may or may not even be solvent by the time I need it. I'd rather take that money I throw away out of my paycheck every week and add it with the money I already put into my own plans for retirement.

I bet you think Tea Partiers and Republicans are racist, too. Fact is, the Democratic Party has a much more vivid history of racism and continues to enslave minorities by keeping them dependent on the government .

Y'all have fun. =)
 
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everybody listen up . there is alot of bickering going on here . i would like to come up with some kind of solution . i think we all agree on more things then we realize . we all want to be treated fair and dont mine paying taxes as long as we are being treated fair and reasonable . we do not mined some regulations and laws . we all can agree that we are being bent over by the government and wasteful spending . what we need to do is focus on what we do agree on and try to come together for the better of us all . i do not think this forum is really going any where positive . so lets write down what we do agree on . maybe we can get some ideas . believe it or not the whitehouse does have a phone # for all of us to call . they have a comment hotline that you can tell them what you think . i can post the number after we come up with some ideas . obviously we hope they actually will listen to us . so how can we get them to hear us and really start to care about us more ? can i say that we agree on what the constitution has in place for us and should never be tampered with or rewritten in any way shape or form . that document is there to protect all of us from the government . that should be a red flag that this administration is trying and has changed this document . our freedom of speech is important just as all of are other rights are .we became a great nation because of our freedoms and liberty for all men and women . we must get back to our roots.
 
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everybody listen up . there is alot of bickering going on here . i would like to come up with some kind of solution . i think we all agree on more things then we realize . we all want to be treated fair and dont mine paying taxes as long as we are being treated fair and reasonable . we do not mined some regulations and laws . we all can agree that we are being bent over by the government and wasteful spending . what we need to do is focus on what we do agree on and try to come together for the better of us all . i do not think this forum is really going any where positive . so lets write down what we do agree on . maybe we can get some ideas . believe it or not the whitehouse does have a phone # for all of us to call . they have a comment hotline that you can tell them what you think . i can post the number after we come up with some ideas . obviously we hope they actually will listen to us . so how can we get them to hear us and really start to care about us more ? can i say that we agree on what the constitution has in place for us and should never be tampered with or rewritten in any way shape or form . that document is there to protect all of us from the government . that should be a red flag that this administration is trying and has changed this document . our freedom of speech is important just as all of are other rights are .we became a great nation because of our freedoms and liberty for all men and women . we must get back to our roots.

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Is the tea party for, or against "free trade" with China and Colombia?

Now I'm all for trading with folks that have rights and standards meeting or exceeding our own. That's true fair trade for America.

jomoco
 
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Man Jon,
you got stamina!
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I'm reaching out the hand of friendship to the tea party, and asking, why do you prefer empowering Colombians and Chinese rather than your fellow Americans?

Hatred of american labor unions to a degree you embrace communism?

What would Dwight D think of your tea party loyalties these days my friends?

jomoco
 
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The capitalism that has entered with the trade to China and Mexico has done some empowering of their people. One was referenced in our discussion, the other I have seen firsthand. They have a long way to go for it to be an even playing field, but it is forward progress.

Communism has never gotten to the state that it was envisioned.

Socialist systems work and don't work. I was in Canada a long time ago and I didn't get the impression from the people that I was with, they felt all that grand about their system. That was a long time ago, now the people feel better? Did the opening of trade, raping of the environment have something to do with the improvement of attitude. Just giving my perception. Is this off?

Just about any "system" that is put in place where a man gets to have authority over other men will eventually run amuck. It is far too close of a society through a high degree of communication, mechanisms of travel and exchanging stuff for their to be this making of kings whether they are crowned or not.

It doesn't change, nor will it, as long as our focus is on the desparities between people and not their common everyday toils they share.

Live this from time to time. "Here, you take it. I am just fine how I am right now"

It may be said occasionally, but it is pretty rare. Usually people compare themselves to others or blame others for what they don't have. When energy is spent doing that, you won't see the opportunities in front of you.

It all works until the resources become scarce. Then it becomes a world with few opportunities and more violence because there will be not enough to cover the basics for everyone. There is not anything wrong with a little violence when it comes to protecting your personal resources. Be starving a little and see how it gets. Not really so far fetched when the population is approaching what it is.

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So tea partiers have no principles or convictions they're not willing to shed if it puts more money in their pockets?

Is that the moral of your American tea party story FireAxe?

jomoco
 
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The capitalism that has entered with the trade to China and Mexico has done some empowering of their people. One was referenced in our discussion, the other I have seen firsthand. They have a long way to go for it to be an even playing field, but it is forward progress.

Communism has never gotten to the state that it was envisioned.

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The pertinent question being, why?

US KIA's?

Or greed trumping patriotism as displayed by our fathers, AKA, the Greatest Generation?

Had you suggested free trade with China during the Korean war, would your motives have gained you popularity?

Or free air conditioned corporate bus rides to your tea parties?

jomoco
 
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There have been over 10,000 proposed amendments to the Constitution and 100 to 200 per congressional yr over the last several decades. So, there have always be a desire for changes, regardless of political affiliation. What you're witnessing is the very process the founding fathers expected and crafted the document to facilitate. This was not a one and done thing but it was certainly meant to be difficult to change.

So, if we can stop with the finger pointing and try to discuss what "Just a tree guy" was attempting to do then maybe we'd have something valuable to offer the country.
 
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No, what you're witnessing is your own govt selling the rights of the humblest American laborers to foreign low wage hellholes with no rights, to benefit a minority of greedy corporations whose greed exceeds their sense of patriotism and human rights.

Both parties colluded to do it to their own constituents. But only one party betrayed its own labor constituency, and that's today's democratic party, led by president BHO.

The party that values its constituency most, the middle class working laborer, will win.

Time to give up such shameful neocon tendencies Mr. President. It's not too late.

jomoco
 
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American jobs walking? So many sides to that polyhedron.

Humblest of American workers? Really? Those that jump right on in there with greed regularly? The ones that jump ship the first time they get a better offer? The ones that ALWAYS feel that they are being taken advantage of?

Right.

I don't know whether this is the cart or the horse.

Currently I'll take a legal foreign worker any day! I am sure there are native born folks out there that will work, but I can find them.


Obama said many things while he was campaigning. Infrastructure crumbling. NO argument.
Solution? We sure are spending alot on it. I have seen some paint finally being applied to the steel that makes our bridges. I have driven through thousands of miles of road construction lately. The one that bugged me was the one in Montana where the new road of the same size was being constructed right next to the old one that seemed fine.

Health care mess. NO argument.

Solution??? A few thousand pages of health care insurance reform that has ended up in the Supreme court with no severence clause (Lawyer client informed me). Why no severence clause? Because each part of the machine's thousand pieces relies on the other for any potential for success. Not a KISS plan. WHY? Because the politicians had to get in there and see how to write it BECAUSE there was money in it from "interests".

He has tried at each and every one of our expense. So have all the others.

Foreign invasions of sovereign countries - help or no? I really don't want to argue for or against that. Frequently it is a can of worms. Most recent one was Kuwait.

BTW - NO PARTY FOR ME WHATSOEVER! I will vote for whom makes the most sense. I would like to keep some of my earnings though. I would also like to see something working for our money, I sure do pay alot in taxes. The shell game they are playing with the credit they are using to fund "stuff" is going to bite us most certainly.

Back to the original post - please don't erode my freedoms that so many have given the ultimate sacrifice and millions and millions of others have sacrificed so much. Happy Memorial day!
 

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