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The republican party is no more.

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This statement I will agree with.

I have yet to find an anyone excited about Romney. He's far from a conservative, IMO.
 
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Sorry...It was just bugging me, so I changed "speach" to "speech".


But Frax! That's Daniel's claim to fame!

Tells you he caint stands obummer.

An every tea sippin murican gots a dutea tu doo sumpin bout it!

You're spoilin ever thang love!

jomoco
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Sorry murican dude...

Obama seems like a decent sort who really meant to do good things for average Americans. I have not followed US politics to know the details of his performance so far, but right at the beginning I thought he was no match for the seriously powerful vested interests that are predominantly on the other side of the political line. The guys with the actual influence and power. You can elect democrats all day long, no serious change that does not primarily benefit the wealthiest people will happen. Not without revolution.
 
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LOL! you could relax a bit too, bud.
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True enough. Stuff's kinda stressful for me at the moment and I tend to start swinging at times like this. I certainly am not looking to offend you or Paul... or any other tree brother for that matter.

But I have been pretty silent a long time trying to see if people would catch on. What Nora says is right, this isn't about millionaires.... this is about billionaires and there are more than you might think... most of their money is hidden away.

I am most definitely NOT talking about small business owners... even though the government's definition of small business is truly laughable. I'm not talking about people who live to work and raise a family. I'm talking about people who cannot be satisfied with ANY amount of money... all they want is MORE. Those people are pretty much exclusively republican/teabagger in political terms. They want freedom for themselves but they want restrictions on anybody that may compete with them. They talk the old republican line about small government, low taxes and a free, competitive market... but that's NOT what they practice. Big business doesn't compete, it colludes.

I apologize directly to you and Paul, I did not want to offend but I stand behind my feelings on this. I never meant to infer that you are a greedy person.

Let me back waaaay up.

When I say republican/tea bagger, I'm not talking rank and file voters... I'm talking leaders in the party and their masters. I have no way of knowing what an individual is like until I've met them and learned about them. But politicians are in the public eye and so is their voting record. They vote against people and for large, well funded organizations... democrats too, just as bad, sometimes worse... I think the democrats are corrupt too.

The republicans divided us though and that will be our ruin. It's the single most important development in politics in a century. We no longer have politicians who are capable of compromise and that means our political system is in failure mode. If this continues, there will be something resembling civil war where we will end up once again fighting our own brothers and friends for a decoy cause while the barons enrich themselves from the proceeds. And EVERYBODY is well armed... it could be uglier than our first civil war.

Wow, I just can't stop... I'm really upset about this stuff. I feel like we are on the road to disaster and I have two kids to think about.
 
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If president Obama would just give up his tea party appeasing tendencies and fight fire with fire like a true democrat that supports American laborers instead of outsourcing their livelihoods to Colombia and China?

He might just get re-elected as a true democrat who's had a bellyfull of selling out the most vulnerable and poorest of his fellow Americans for a handful of slimy silver.

But he has no intention of not "staying the course" set by his neocon predecessor in office.

I ask myself why?

Why did Bill Clinton sign the repeal of Glass Steagall into law as he left and Mr. Neocon took over the whitehouse, then both houses of congress, and the SCOTUS.

They had 6 long years of complete domination in which to work their neocon wet dreams into reality. And sure enough, they blossomed onto the world stage in 08 for all to behold and marvel at!

Never ending war? Check.

Big Oil rich as God? Check.

America in debt and the back of labor unions broken into outsourced kindling? Check.

The neocon wet dream course stayed regardless of who's in the whitehouse or congress? Check.

True representative democracy at its best?

Not......

jomoco
 
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"Forward he cried from the rear
and the front rank died
And the General sat, as the lines on the map
moved from side to side"
Roger Waters

Same goes for big business. They have it very easy in that no matter who is in power their mandate never changes; make more money. New law, how do we make more money?, New president, how do we make more money? etc, etc.....

The rest is just stickhandling.
 
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Add to that list Jomoco, Why did Obama ask Bush to release the second round of TARP funds before he even took office? That one baffles me.
 
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ok cool...imade that statement to make a point that BOTH sides speak in generalizations that ARE offensive to individuals...im really not offended.SAME COIN DIFFERENT SIDES!
 
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The big seismic shift of taxing corps to fund govt that worked so well in our past due to vibrant corporate growth supplying our own markets, no longer applies.

Our govt is 16T in debt, our multinational corps are flush with cash. And our politicians are very accomplished and rich liars, snug in the pockets of various heads of corporate board rooms whose god is money.

They have good reasons for being nervous and uneasy these days.

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explain to me MY political leanings JomoCo...since you seem to know so much ! you put words in mouths why not thoughts in heads...
~Is some big business bad? you bet!! self serving creeps who worship mammon!! YES
~ Is profit bad? not on your life
~ News flash!! the government AT TIMES makes more profit per gallon in tax than the oil companies...suprised?
http://factcheck.org/2008/04/gasoline-tax-profits/.
now me saying that does not mean i LOVE oil...I am just trying to stimulate this discussion and ad to the clarity of the dialog.
~ Do we include Actors? They make obscene Profits for Acting for God sake ....What do the grips make who set up sets and equipment etc....
~ do we HATE corporate jet types?...what is a corporate jet type? (stereo type) I know it was fasionable to be hatin them a while back.. Lets ban their use?! rich fat cat bastards. But wait, what about the sales guys who sells the plane...and his commission check, or the guy who wrenches on the plane,or the hangar person that parks stores etc..
~ are there ANY GOOD corporate jet types!!!??
~ are you all asking these types of questions?
~ do you know that "self government " not only means People running for office and governing but that the sigle most overlooked aspect of SELF GOVERNANCE as framed in federalist papers...I believe 51? means literally governing yourself....The founders thought that we should be accountable and responsible to be good stewards of our rescources ,land,that we should as individuals take care of the poor and widows etc...that we would be good citizens..And that we were to be protected,YES protected from the authority of the majority...The TYranny of the Majority..They new that a republican style gov was prone to get Cocky and overstep its authority into our lives.
I do not apologize for thes views! I think these concepts and principals ar genius and the best ever on this planet!!
WE/I do not need or shouldnt need some nanny telling us a Bum business dude is a bum!! by his shear act of being a dirtbag he should be out on his a$$ period!
I am no dummy and fully understand that we need rules! we are a nation of law..its just inhibiting to our freedoms at times and we should hold those freedoms dear enough to ask the question will another law fix something
The whole system has drifted away from those founding principals of self governance and we my friends are really not free.
Im goin to bed!! good night all !!
 
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In Victor Frankl's book," man's search for meaning" he tells one story where his Nazi captor Keeps asking him if he made a lot of money ,and what he did for a living?!! The hatred of "this jew" and the fact that he made money seethed from the guard to the point where the guard knocked him down and told him in 2 days he would kill him!!
We need to be careful with our own hatred....
"your hate has made you powerful"
The Emperor ~ (return of the jedi)
dont be the next Darth Vader....
Said w some levity...this thread needs it!
Be well people!!! be well!!
 
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explain to me MY political leanings JomoCo...since you seem to know so much ! you put words in mouths why not thoughts in heads...
~Is some big business bad? you bet!! self serving creeps who worship mammon!! YES
~ Is profit bad? not on your life
~ News flash!! the government AT TIMES makes more profit per gallon in tax than the oil companies...suprised?


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You don't actually mean that govt colludes with big oil corps do you Taitree?
Shocking! Just shocking I tell you!
Does that mean cheney's energy meetings actually happened?
I think I'm going to faint!

I like these tea parties, so exciting and informative.

What other tea party secrets can yu clue me in on pardner?

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First off, stop blaming those evil corporations for jobs going overseas and put the blame where it belongs- on the American consumer. We want to make top dollar and pay as little as possible when we buy something. For many manufacturers, the only way to build something cheap enough so we'll buy it is to look for alternative places of production. Want to see jobs come back to America? BUY AMERICAN. Don't like a companies' policies? Don't buy their product. It's simple and it works.

The good news is, the Chinese are starting to discover they can have a middle class and are demanding the same wages and benefits we enjoyed for years. This is starting to push up the price of overseas production, and will eventually drive the jobs back here.

Secondly, I can't fathom how anyone can possibly be in favor of Obama for another four years. The man has been an unmitigated disaster in office. Unemployment is over 20 percent (REAL unemployment, not those doctored figures you see on MSM). He's as dirty as they come, and that's a fact. Obama support jobs? He wouldn't even take a bus tour on buses made in the US. His public spending policy has resulted in wasting trillions on companies that are bankrupt and some under criminal investigation. Does everyone forget his first round of cabinet picks were all tax evaders who had to pay thousands in unpaid taxes to even take their posts?

I do not like Romney. He's a classic RINO and doesn't believe in the party line of small government and self-sufficiency and responsibility.
 
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Then what was the rationale behind American Anti-trust laws like the Sherman Act my dear fellow?

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The problem herein lies with the notion of self. We talk about individual rights and freedoms and hold them dear. We go on to say that we "should" be self-governing, self-sufficient and so on. What about the obligation to society and others? That is what isn't talked about. We live within a community where what one does has an effect on others. That needs to inform our decisions so that we can co-exist.
 
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Damn! i promised myself I was done.

Blaming consumers for corps going to China is absurd. People pay whatever the market rate for something is. If they can't afford it, they don't buy it.
Marketers know this and in order to sell more stuff, they find a way to cut the production costs. That's why they go to China. Consumer 'demand' doesn't make things cheaper, it makes them more expensive assuming limited supply.

Now I'll grant that everybody in America seems to want to live the high life and think they should be just as fashionable as there idols. That's pathological in terms of culture and it can drive companies to produce knock-off items to fulfill that demand. But that's not what destroyed the economy. It's well documented at this point that predatory lending combined with hokey investment instruments was our downfall.

And I know you're gonna blame all those people who couldn't afford a house but bought one anyway but who the hell is supposed to control that?

If you push a house loan at somebody who's never bought one before, they're gonna take it because that's the American Dream and the basis of capitalism. They don't understand loan contracts, nobody does. TEAMS of people write and revise those documents, no one person can read one and understand all the pitfalls. Add to that that lenders were making a KILLING so they were highly motivated to write as many contracts as they could.

The people ARE the country, not the companies. Companies don't have young to sacrifice on the alter of freedom, nor do they have any motivation to do anything but make more money to enrich their shareholders. The companies are at fault for the action but our government is at fault for legally supporting mis-placed incentives.

Dammit. Now I'm done.
 
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The fact that today's tea partiers caint toe their own pappy's mark of monetary sacrifice for love of country, is like a bright shameful neon halo orbiting their self righteous heads, blinking brightly in anger, going in self serving circles.

Looks kinda silly to me.

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To add to Blinky's comments about the housing fiasco. Those people that bought homes like all of us were fulfilling their housing needs. Two choices, rent or buy. Let's see, I pay $x/mth rent or according to my bank, I can pay $X- n%/mth to own. What about the downpayment? The banks says no worries we have a way of doing this for $0 down that you can still afford on your income! To blame the buyer of a house is absurd. I've yet to hear a story of how a buyer scammed the lender with false income claims and the like.
 
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