DMM throw hook.

Steve Connally said:
I just thought with the rads way out you could make more progress without a reset.
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We need to talk in person ;-) I might be misunderstanding you, but you just move it up to gain more progress as you ascend. If you ere going down into a long deep limbwalk, yes you set the RADS high so when you come back it's just pull til you get back.

EDIT: I'm understanding what you're asking now, (I can be slow on the uptake). It could be aggravating to try and throw it with the RADS redirect extended out near the hook.
 
Ok, the Captain doesn't just look sweet, it rocks. Had it out for the first climb today. So fun, I forgot to take pics. Got it scratched, don't care - it's a significant tool for me.

Lots of multi stemmed, wide canopy trees (such as London plane and Pohutukawa) around here and I've never moved around so easy or quickly. Hook - traverse - lanyard in - SRT redirect, rinse'n repeat.

Well worth the significant investment. Thanks again for everyone's sharing, it convinced me and I'm glad I made the plunger.
 
I've been loving it in larger Maples, WK. can't believe how much more fun moving through the canopies with it. No scratches on it, yet! I've been using it everyday and it withstands a lot of abuse. Have you gotten the Trango for it yet?
 
Was working an armor-prus hitch with a small pulley, not even my HC. Worked fine really, though the HC would have tended better on my bike-tube chestie.

Trangos are really expensive here. I can see it would descend really well and it would be tidy on the saddle. Maybe one day.

The hitch though worked great. Had it tied XT and it traverse captured and ascended really well. Just used a foot ascender. So long as I wasn't too vertical on it, the hitch released fine as you'd expect on SRT. It did bind up descending when not lightly weighted (also as expected), so a little unweight was requird to get it moving again.

Anyway, I'm really happy and yeah, it really was a blast. I just can't imagine going back now.
 
WaitakKauri said:
Ok, the Captain doesn't just look sweet, it rocks. Had it out for the first climb today. So fun, I forgot to take pics. Got it scratched, don't care - it's a significant tool for me.

Lots of multi stemmed, wide canopy trees (such as London plane and Pohutukawa) around here and I've never moved around so easy or quickly. Hook - traverse - lanyard in - SRT redirect, rinse'n repeat.

Well worth the significant investment. Thanks again for everyone's sharing, it convinced me and I'm glad I made the plunger.
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Wow!! That is one heck of a good report! This is exactly what I was hoping to hear.

Two of the biggest time-wasters for me personally with regard to tree climbing are trying to get a higher tie-in point after I'm already in the tree; (fix is the APTA), and trying to gain new lateral connection points. (I still have not perfected my Mag Throw Bag technique). Having a hook that reliably and easily captures a limb eliminates or reduces the need to do a redirect with a main climbing line just to be able to pull yourself out another 20 feet or so.

This is really great news, and I'm really happy that it is working so well for you. Keep coming with the updates, please.

Tim
 
WaitakKauri said:
Was working an armor-prus hitch with a small pulley, not even my HC. Worked fine really, though the HC would have tended better on my bike-tube chestie.

Trangos are really expensive here. I can see it would descend really well and it would be tidy on the saddle. Maybe one day.

The hitch though worked great. Had it tied XT and it traverse captured and ascended really well. Just used a foot ascender. So long as I wasn't too vertical on it, the hitch released fine as you'd expect on SRT. It did bind up descending when not lightly weighted (also as expected), so a little unweight was requird to get it moving again.

Anyway, I'm really happy and yeah, it really was a blast. I just can't imagine going back now.
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I'm wondering if you could incorporate a figure 8 inline with your pulley in order to take some friction off of your hitch? Or maybe even a Rope Wrench, if you have a spare laying around. Some folks fashion their own Rope Wrenches out of hardwood; maybe by using an old hammer handle. Just a few stray thoughts.

Tim
 
TimBr said:
Wow!! That is one heck of a good report! This is exactly what I was hoping to hear.

Two of the biggest time-wasters for me personally with regard to tree climbing are trying to get a higher tie-in point after I'm already in the tree; (fix is the APTA), and trying to gain new lateral connection points. (I still have not perfected my Mag Throw Bag technique). Having a hook that reliably and easily captures a limb eliminates or reduces the need to do a redirect with a main climbing line just to be able to pull yourself out another 20 feet or so.

This is really great news, and I'm really happy that it is working so well for you. Keep coming with the updates, please.

Tim
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Hey Tim, I get what your saying.

Before Captain, I had three options, two with my tail, one with throwline/mini-diy'd-clothes-hanger-zip-tie-grapple.

For the tail, I could get it back by throwing tail over destination branch and get it back by lasso or decend. Both are valid and have their place. I've seen an expert lasso'r just smoke it around a tree, really impressive and minimal.

Or, I use a throwline with my embarrassingly crap grapple. I'd image the mag throwbag would be really great.

Both require setting a secondary climb system, though sometimes I have that ready to go.

Just taking out loud here - these all still all have a place in my toolkit, though I doubt I'll be taking my throw line & grapple very often. Sometimes you need a secondary climb system.

I was lucky to see an Epple in action in person with a multi ITCC champ and was excited when the Captain was announced. I'm very happy it's living up to expectation.
 
TimBr said:
I'm wondering if you could incorporate a figure 8 inline with your pulley in order to take some friction off of your hitch? Or maybe even a Rope Wrench, if you have a spare laying around. Some folks fashion their own Rope Wrenches out of hardwood; maybe by using an old hammer handle. Just a few stray thoughts.

Tim
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Yes, I could add some friction, but it's just not been a big a deal.

It's no issue at all if I'm going towards the hook and I can use a foot ascender without a foot ascender redirect (aka 3:1). When returning, it's easy to unweight the hitch to get going, then as my weight transfers to my climb system, there's less friction requird on the hook's hitch.

In a jif, I'd just use a munter off a lower D. Have done so, but forget why - think I was playing with SRT on a long lanyard or foot locking an access line.

Oh, and yes I'd love a second RW, or one of the mechanicals. I'm learning about them as people share experiences and Q&A (y)
 
yoyoman said:
So many ways to move in a tree and so many different scenarios.
The metal catipiller type cambium savers add a natural weight to a short toss and can be pulled back with a magnet.
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Mini drones to set throw lines, yep that's where it's headed.
 
As crazy as it may sound I was thinking that a split tail appropriately sized might be an interesting ticket. Your hands could tend the knot and it might be far enough away from your feet the binding may be nonexistent.
 
Split tail, wrench, runner, hitchhiker etc. will all work great ascending on a hook line. Question is how much stuff on the hook line will a climber tolerate? It's a constant battle to reduce gear you're carrying on your harness. So far my vote is either Cinch or hitch, one is good one way the other good the other way (up or down). Either can be made to work in the non-optimal direction, depends on your climbing style and the ways you use the hook.
-AJ
 
To kit or not to kit, that is the question....

A 10mm line and a small storage bag are very much optimal to use with the hook. You can either build your own kit or buy it already set up.

I don't think climber's are going to end up using the hook a lot on the tail of their climbing rope. No one's going to want to leave the hook on the tail of their rope all the time, would be basically a boat anchor PITA. So that means you're tying it on with a knot when you need it. I believe a knot will create some problems hanging up the hook when you're trying to pull it back.

Anyway, that's my thinking so far.
-AJ
 
I bought new tribe easy rigger saddle bag . 50 feet sirus 10mm. Stationary bolon on hook never hung up once after extensive use thus far since arrival a couple weeks ago. The bolon how I have it tied the little tail goes towards the shackle ,so on slow pull to hook no issue, may even increase hooks turn as knot bumps slightly over branch and quick pull to retrieve it slides past branch /Union well.
 
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