DMM throw hook.

I've got a couple of questions. I know o might be able to find this stuff when I read the whole thread (and I promise, that's on my agenda), but in the mean time:

1) For those of you who have used both, how well does this stack up against the epple hook? That price tag is steep. I want to know the additional investment is worth it.

2) How much success have you guys had using it with regular sized climbing line? I'm with others who have said they would rather just clip it in to the end of thier existing line and rock and roll. I use cougar rope. I can't imagine trying to carry another 50' of rope with me all the time.

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Steve Connally said:
No it engaged. I couldn't advance it. Too much force on it due to angles
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That makes sense, typical problem in a traverse. Were your rope angles shallow or deep? If they were shallow you'd need to let some slack out from your main line, if they were deep you were essentially in ascent mode on the Cinch, at that point you'd need a quick RADS setup to move rope through the Cinch or any similar device.
-AJ
 
Steve, so far I haven't had to put a RADS on my hook line, typically if my hook line is near vertical I've made it pretty close to my destination and if I can get my feet on the tree or a limb I'll lanyard in and go up in a convential way and/or take slack out with the Cinch as I move up.
 
JTree said:
I've got a couple of questions. I know o might be able to find this stuff when I read the whole thread (and I promise, that's on my agenda), but in the mean time:

1) For those of you who have used both, how well does this stack up against the epple hook? That price tag is steep. I want to know the additional investment is worth it.

2) How much success have you guys had using it with regular sized climbing line? I'm with others who have said they would rather just clip it in to the end of thier existing line and rock and roll. I use cougar rope. I can't imagine trying to carry another 50' of rope with me all the time.

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I'll hit a couple of points. Captain vs. Epple, the Captain has a well-designed profile/balance that effects the hook behavior when you're pulling it back, pull it slow and it flips down and grabs pull it a little quicker and it will come over a branch without grabbing it.

I think the Captain weighs about 14.5 oz. If you do a test and put that much weight on the tail of your main rope and you're able to get some distance throwing with it you're good to go.
-AJ
 
Thanks.....so the weight profile really is worth the extra dough....I'll keep that in mind.

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Here's something of interest if you want to quick connect to the Captain with a biner.

To use a biner and prevent it from opening, which occurred for this guy, he's using a long quick draw on the hook. Looks like a nice way to put the Captain on the end of anything.

Also, without the biner being in the way it looks like this config could have less affect the the Captain's grabbing and non-grabbing as @moss described just above (and given us some common language for, thanks!)

Here's how this looks from timberwolf190 on Instagram. I don't think he's a Treebuzz user, but I could be wrong. https://www.instagram.com/p/BD0cc5jsTPP/?taken-by=timberwolf190
 
Huskyman said:
Didn't the Cinch engage while traversing or what was the problem? A bit qurious since I'm waiting for my Cinch to be delivered. Hope I didn't order it in vain. :muyenojado:
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Cinch cannot trump a prussic here....a runner maybe....lol...but a simple prussic/pulley is the bomb..no sticking
 
swingdude said:
No way I would use a cinch in this application....a prussic with pulley is a better option in my opinion....
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It's all in how you use it, Cinch gives you smoother release single line, zero sit back when you take up slack, and it's very compact vertically. I have the prusik on the other end of my hook line so... Best of both worlds.
 
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Thanks AJ. I'll keep working with it. I advanced well until I was basically ascending on the hook. Didn't seem to want to advance. I seriously doubt a prussic runner or any other ascent device would work an better since you are on a constant state of pull against it. Rads would work well in this application however you'd have to have som slack to get it going I suppose. Maybe not. Anyway it's the nature of advancing something that your full body weight is pulling in the opposite direction.
 
swingdude said:
No way I would use a cinch in this application....a prussic with pulley is a better option in my opinion....
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I use the Trango Cinch and love it with the Captain. It is much quicker, more compact and with less setback than either a hitch or the RR.
 
Hey Steve, I'm busted for poor reading comprehension again, you described the problem exactly, you were trying to ascend vertically on the Cinch, doesn't work well that way except in RADS configuration. Hitch ala Swingdude is the best if you're going to use the hook that way much of the time. The Cinch/hitch debate will go on forever, each has advantages and problems. Like everything in climbing ;-)
 
I will be letting out slack in my climbing system most time in my traverse from leader to leader...then up the captain vertical usually steep angles....cinch is useless for me Dave in this scenario...different trees
 
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