Ascent event is "Ash*t"event

treebing said:
with the new event I am amazed there is any difference in times at all. in any of it. in sure I could get my dad to be able to compete with the best of them with a few hours of instruction. the footlock is real skill.
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I mean, I get where the thought is coming from, but I can't hang with those guys. How the hell does one go so quickly with a knee ascender? I'm lagging behind at like 18 seconds.
 
SomethingWitty said:
I mean, I get where the thought is coming from, but I can't hang with those guys. How the hell does one go so quickly with a knee ascender? I'm lagging behind at like 18 seconds.
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my guess is its mechanical rather than physical. I mean some people can move their legs really fast but in such a short length that should be marginal. see where your pulling slack, remember its not a ladder and so your foot does not need to avoid a ring. it goes straight up the line. you drop three seconds and your in the running. Ive never tried it I might be talking out of my ass. ill let you know in September. I just think the footlock is something integral to climbing. I think it should retain a central part of the comp. I also love the speed climb though. its so fun.
 
Okay, so terrible event or no, it is still points that I have to try to get.
How is everyone getting the best scores in the setup section? I still have seen zero discussion about how to win this event. Is the double hand ascender on twin stationary lines still legit? Or do I have to buy one of those finger trap style fids?
 
SomethingWitty said:
Okay, so terrible event or no, it is still points that I have to try to get.
How is everyone getting the best scores in the setup section? I still have seen zero discussion about how to win this event. Is the double hand ascender on twin stationary lines still legit? Or do I have to buy one of those finger trap style fids?
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I was at our local TCC last weekend. Lots of interesting configurations. The fastest are using all mechanical.

Most are using a hand ascender at the top of their system with tether as a backup. Backup gives another point.

Skipping the ascent bit, you need fast setup and fast descent ready times.

For setup the fastest by far, is hand ascender at the top, mechanical (chest ascender, Taz), then foot and knee ascenders and a chest (smaller & better) or hand ascender with lots of weight (say 2Kg or 4lbs). Seemed slower setup for foot loop off hand ascender.

The Taz is fastest on and equal to a RW for descent.

Lots of guys sharing Tazs.

I nailed 5 sec for descent and I know another going about 4.8, no idea what the fastest was, but I was really happy with that and getting knee and foot ascenders off and hit the bell again.

Not sure what the fastest setup was, but it must've been around 12-15 seconds including the walk. I was happy with 33s. I need more weight, only had 22oz from 2 throwbags.
 
SomethingWitty said:
Okay, so terrible event or no, it is still points that I have to try to get.
How is everyone getting the best scores in the setup section? I still have seen zero discussion about how to win this event. Is the double hand ascender on twin stationary lines still legit? Or do I have to buy one of those finger trap style fids?
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Fyi, I might copy some of my post and start a thread on the comp area.
 
I think they should do away with the timed setup as well as the dorsal belay. Run it like the Red Bull Ascent Event where the climber is responsible for their own safety and descent.

The way the event is setup now, it encourages a bunch of jacked up "racing systems" that have nothing to do with production tree work.

If you can't footlock, you suck.
 
KentuckySawyer said:
I think they should do away with the timed setup as well as the dorsal belay. Run it like the Red Bull Ascent Event where the climber is responsible for their own safety and descent.

The way the event is setup now, it encourages a bunch of jacked up "racing systems" that have nothing to do with production tree work.

If you can't footlock, you suck.
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That's a bold statement. If you couldn't footlock, you wouldn't suck. You just happen to be able to footlock.
 
SomethingWitty said:
That's a bold statement. If you couldn't footlock, you wouldn't suck. You just happen to be able to footlock.
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It may be a bold statement, but I believe it. It didn't just happen that I can footlock. I worked hard at it and did it daily for years.

I'm under no illusion that new climbers will not want or need to footlock for daily production since there are safer, faster alternatives... But I think footlocking is something any tree climber should dabble in. Bingham has a less inflammatory version, "If you can't footlock, just stay on the ground."
 
I feel like this event is much more in line with how climbers are accessing trees at work but how it is structured is really lame. My vote would be to have time start when you step in the ring and end when you are at the top in your descent position hands off your device. The dorsal belay line would be clipped to your back before you step into the ring so no matter what you did in the ring you would be safe. Nobody needs to see you hang, nobody needs to check your setup, or time your setup. Just get in, set up, ascend, and get in descent position.
 
RyanCafferky said:
I feel like this event is much more in line with how climbers are accessing trees at work but how it is structured is really lame. My vote would be to have time start when you step in the ring and end when you are at the top in your descent position hands off your device. The dorsal belay line would be clipped to your back before you step into the ring so no matter what you did in the ring you would be safe. Nobody needs to see you hang, nobody needs to check your setup, or time your setup. Just get in, set up, ascend, and get in descent position.
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Sounds a lot simpler.
 
Man, hurrying all the way through without a safety check of the system just doesn't sound great to me.
There was an error of belay operation at southern that was a close call. Everything was fine, but if your system doesn't catch, then you are no longer redundant. One person can drop you. The primary system grabbing is important.
 
I'd much rather see a change in the event that focuses more on ascent speed than setup or changeover, but with a hard limit on time to set your system on the line. The multiple stage timing is volunteer heavy and prone to errors.
 
What I really miss is the standardized height. With footlock event you could keep track of your progress, you knew what the fastest times were and it was a great motivation to shave off the hundreths of seconds off your personal best. Now you can´t compare anything since the height can be always different...
 
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