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ATH said:
I agree they may not directly benefit from the letters after their name, but they will certainly benefit from the education to renew. IMHO, everybody who is making this their profession should be going that kind of education anyhow. Or any profession...I'd hope my mechanic, HVAC technician, dentist, ect are leaning more about their craft.

As a business owner, I'm willing to pay more for a CA because I think it worthwhile to tell clients a CA will be doing your work. I also (financially) support their efforts to become and stay Certified. Not everybody sees it that way - employers or clients and that's OK. Just sharing my thoughts.
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I agree with most of this, though competency speaks volumes. One of my friends, and competitors, does great work despite not being a CA. I respect his grind and ability to service clients so well. He does his best to do right by trees, but his business is customer service within the sphere of trees, not being an arborist.

There again, another couple of qualified competitors in the PHC realm aren't arborists, but state applicators that found a niche.

I'm interviewing a guy who isn't a ca, but has been a climber for a while, has college education, and a solid reputation. If he wants to chase certs that's cool, but if we build his portfolio and help him translate his skills and long term goals into action he'll be more capable than a cert without a purpose.
 
Brando CalPankian said:
I agree with most of this, though competency speaks volumes. One of my friends, and competitors, does great work despite not being a CA. I respect his grind and ability to service clients so well. He does his best to do right by trees, but his business is customer service within the sphere of trees, not being an arborist.

There again, another couple of qualified competitors in the PHC realm aren't arborists, but state applicators that found a niche.

I'm interviewing a guy who isn't a ca, but has been a climber for a while, has college education, and a solid reputation. If he wants to chase certs that's cool, but if we build his portfolio and help him translate his skills and long term goals into action he'll be more capable than a cert without a purpose.
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Competency should speak far more volumes than letters after a name, certifications, recognitions, qualifications, etc, etc. etc..

Unfortunately, not everybody can measure competency well. Many clients don't even know what that looks like. And this isn't just tree care...it is across the trades. For example: While climbing a tree today noticed regular shingles on a flat roof. I'm not a competent roofer...but I do know whoever did that isn't either!

Also, unfortunately, too many people with letters after a name, certifications, recognitions, qualifications, etc, are incompetent at their actual jobs.

No perfect answer!
 
ATH said:
Competency should speak far more volumes than letters after a name, certifications, recognitions, qualifications, etc, etc. etc..

Unfortunately, not everybody can measure competency well. Many clients don't even know what that looks like. And this isn't just tree care...it is across the trades. For example: While climbing a tree today noticed regular shingles on a flat roof. I'm not a competent roofer...but I do know whoever did that isn't either!

Also, unfortunately, too many people with letters after a name, certifications, recognitions, qualifications, etc, are incompetent at their actual jobs.

No perfect answer!
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No perfect answer indeed. I guess that's where inspections come in, but nobody wants that kind of scrutiny and it wouldn't work well for private sector work because of the volume.

That's where I think influencing communities, as stewards in the trade, regardless of certification, is important. My friend is spearheading change at the state level because he sees it affects everyone involved. And by getting community support, it can naturally regulate.

Our town is an oddity, two of four counsel seats are held by an arborist and an entrepreneurial logger, among other things here. I'm excited to see how that can affect the emerging urbanization in the county.

Good deeds do accumulate and influence over time, letters or not.

Additionally, workforce development is beginning to have a catharsis. Small employers are gaining more and better tools for safety and development at reasonable costs. Rising tides float all ships.
 
Brando CalPankian said:
No perfect answer indeed. I guess that's where inspections come in, but nobody wants that kind of scrutiny and it wouldn't work well for private sector work because of the volume.

That's where I think influencing communities, as stewards in the trade, regardless of certification, is important. My friend is spearheading change at the state level because he sees it affects everyone involved. And by getting community support, it can naturally regulate.

Our town is an oddity, two of four counsel seats are held by an arborist and an entrepreneurial logger, among other things here. I'm excited to see how that can affect the emerging urbanization in the county.

Good deeds do accumulate and influence over time, letters or not.

Additionally, workforce development is beginning to have a catharsis. Small employers are gaining more and better tools for safety and development at reasonable costs. Rising tides float all ships.
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That sounds like a cool county!
 
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